I just signed up for this list (I got the link from php.net), since I have php5 questions that are really ot for this list. Within 10 minutes of confirming my wish to subscribe, I got 33 emails from all over the f*king planet. I happen to check these messages on both my Linux test machine and my 'still-for-now-in-limited-use' XP box (I'm a newbie at Linux, so I'm weaning). 20 of the emails were virus infected. 12 were signing me up for other lists from a whole array of shit-box sites 3 more were in languages that I can't even identify. My advice to everyone here - stay clear of php.net lists! I think I'll have to change my email address just to avoid what I'm sure will be an avalanche of f*king spam! John Dangler