On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 10:10, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jun 2004, Craig White wrote:
> ...
> > I would suggest that rather than trying to convince people to lower
> > their expectations, it would be more beneficial to suggest that we work
> > together to solve the problems and develop a better sense of humor (i.e.
> > less whining) about the problems we face.
>
> since i apparently started this barroom brawl, let me make a suggestion
> that might solve a lot of problems. what FC2 (and future FC releases)
> needs is a structured, somewhat-moderated repository of well-written and
> important info for new users. quite simply, it needs a moderated wiki.
<snip>
> thoughts?
>
> rday
>
This is "real" community at work..... I really appreciate the shift from the proverbial whining of late.....
An excellent suggestion, and a great list of recurring issues. You also summarized where a lot of information is being kept. I find one of the greatest challenges, at the moment, is, as you point out, how to locate the information.
But my question is whether we really need yet another source.... I think a better use of our efforts might be to improve the format and volume of information at fedorafaq.org because, frankly, what you are describing sounds like a better organized (hierarchical) FAQ - and they do seem to address, to some extent, some of the more critical things in your list. Converting to more of a Wiki environment I think has merit too... Perhaps you could bring this suggestion to the folks there and see if they are interested (or need some competition :-) )....
I am also concerned that this should really be addressed by the "community" side of the Fedora Project and be better linked in with the "official" fedora.redhat.com site, though I do not think those of us on the outside are able to do this yet..... Does anyone have a sense of where/how we might be able to "open up more" some of these "support" things?
Let's keep these thoughts going.....
--Rob
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Indexing the current different Hardware manufacturers and their line of products to the related Software issues with FC could reduce the complication of a TOContents. Then producing a Fedora Core OS index in parallel. In given time the two may interceed and broaden the tree of QA. You may also follow with an additional index called "Other Tools" for the developer programs outside of the, RedHat Inc, initiative.
Organised in such a standard similar to this can and may give Software solid grounds on influencing the Hardware standards of specifications. Most hardware vendors do not support Linux because... they don't know how! You/we do and unlike them we know it's Community driven, ie Teamwork.
This will take some effort, there is no doubt, but as many have said, let's use everybody we have that are willing to support, ie all the FC users on this list.
How? A Wiki? An allocated Server?
A Wiki in my opinion should be the purpose of a broad select of moderators with the influx of information, maybe uploaded from users to an FTP server, but then would it be an Wiki?
I guess a start could be to produce some Templates ie Open Office.org :-D (yeah, ya, ja, oi, hooah), or however one wishes to be beneficial for the project and produce a set of guidelines as conscription oops I mean as an initiative for Reporting Successfull Outcomes. This may lead to the Moderators just simply adding as a hyperlink into this tree(Assuming the placement of the FTP upload was correct) and who knows, maybe you'll see some personality and flare, the uniqueness that makes a Community thus creating genuine interest from users.
There is no immediate need to backtrack for previous solutions but everything can be pieced in good time like the Colonel, ahh I mean Kernel. A solid Front would a be nice change.
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