From: HaJo Schatz <hajo@xxxxxxxx> Reply-To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: FC2 doubtful quality? Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:54:49 +0800
Hi List,
Long story, short question: Should I fall back to FC1 instead of using FC2? I am somewhat very concerned about the release quality of FC2. Here's what happened:
I just upgraded a laptop (Fujitsu-Siemens E2010) from RH9 to FC2. After that, I couldn't log on to Gnome, after username/password, X just hung without any error message, neither in the logs. Never mind, I did a fresh install instead & immediately after updated all the packages. Then the surprises really started:
- Service PCMCIA doesn't load the yento-sockets module. This is known @ bugzilla, one has to patch the pcmcia script by hand. Through this bug, the PCMCIA subsystem is non-functional! - Kernel 2.6.6-1.435 gives a "failed to bind key 255 to value..." every time you log in at a console, whereas kernel -358 doesn't. This appeared at bugzilla but was closed as "magically disappeared" - Hotplug calls the script ide, which in turn calls /sbin/ide_info. /sbin/ide_info simply doesn't exist! Had to copy it in from a FC1 install. Through this bug, you can't mount CF-Cards in a PCMCIA adapter. Just found out that bugzilla also knows about this -- since FC2 test3! - USB updfstab doesn't work. Devices get detected in the kernel, hotplug @ updfstab gets executed, but /mnt & fstab entries are not created. Trying to debug, I realized that the issue is somehow timing-related. When I do some sleep at the "right" points in the updfstab scripts, things work sometimes. Can't resolve the issue though and have to live without using my Flash-Stick & Camera reliably. - Kernel -435 sometimes segfaults when plugging USB devices in/out, whereas -358 seems reliable here. - My console-beep (emitted through the sound card) disappeared ever since FC2. I don't seem to be able to find a pointer on how to trace this...
This is the result after a few hours of FC2 experience and I really start wondering about what level of testing this release experienced before being released into the public -- even IMHO obvious things like the PCMCIA subsystem doesn't work! Seems to me that FC1 was by far the more reliable system.
My question now is whether I should give up on FC2 (I'm really tempted) and go back to FC1 or hang in there. - Will I experience more of these surprises with FC2? - How fast will issues be attented to through updates? The PCMCIA issue is known, so is the ide_info issue (since FC2 test3), but still no fix today. - Is this what we have to expect from a "community distro" in the long run? As with RH9 the last consumer-distro is discontinued, my logical conclusion would then be to leave RH behind and move on to another packager, say Suse?
A bit disappointed, HaJo
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A very healthy and valid argument to the Fedora related teams and wider community.
Quality is definately an issue of many computer users and enthusiasts, so we have many strong contenders in the Software arena today and this has obviously become more luminious to some.
When it comes to the freedom of choice then one can only merit with the values of their own given efforts/support to drive community projects such as, Fedora Core, into its respective perceptive.
But do bear in mind that it these initiatives from corporations such as, RedHat Inc, that solely gives You the Choice(Yes Choice) to make, guide and participate in advancing a broad community of interests. If it counts, this tells me that there are high moral values involved and genuine Computing interests by a stature Corporation. And it seems to me that this seems to contradict the other major Software movements.
But, we have these chioces and we make our own paths, so these opinions can merely be just self regarding contexts.
More type for the dollar does not create and grow any industry but merely supports a Regime. If you want absolute quality, then all you have to do usually is follow the herd and pay you dues.
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