It would appear that on May 16, Rod Haper did say: > If you want to count only files in the current directory and all > subdirectories, try this: > > find . -type f -print | wc -l > > Btw, the method you used in your email above skips dot (.*) files and > includes directories, links, fifos, etc. If you don't care about that, > just add the -R or --recursive switch to your ls command. Just a couple quick points, "ls -1R" seams to add a line with ".:" at the beginning and a blank line between each directory listing, that would have to be filtered out. A quick empirical test of your find command includes any extra "HARD" links to the same file. (don't know about "fifo's etc") Another alternative that does include directories, (.*) files, and "SOFT" links but skips additional "HARD" links is based on the disk usage command: du -a | wc -l It also adds a single total line, but that predictable quantity can be easily compensated for: expr `du -a | wc -l` - 1 (Note for those with tired eyes: those are back quotes NOT single quotes) Or if you didn't want the directories: expr `du -a | wc -l` - `du |wc -l` (the two total lines cancel each others line count out...) There seams to be more than one way to do most things in *nix environments. Often with similar but not quite the same results. Which one you use would depend on what parts of the result you care about. ;) -- | --- ___ | <0> <-> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | ~\___/~ <<jtwdyp@xxxxxxxx>> But if I actually knew everything, then I'd know I was an idiot...