Luc Bouchard wrote: > On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 19:59, Swamper wrote: > > I'd say he was helping out by bringing up such an important > > issue. Are you speaking for the Fedora Project and Redhat with > > your "no more free lunch" remark? I don't think so. Anyone who > > installs Fedora is helping out, in my opinion, especially those > > who are running the development core. > > I would disagree, commenting on not having a security update the day > after the official vulnerability is announced isn't what I would call > helping out. The project released the update for testing today, someone > who wanted to help out would test the release. > > I'm still waiting for sunfreeware.com to put out an update for our > Solaris 9 boxes. Should I go on their mailing list and give them hell. > No that doesn't accomplish anything. I'm not paying for their service, > therefore I don't have the right to bitch at them. Same goes for the > Fedora Project. This is not a for-profit company. IMHO the OP came > across as someone bitching because a FREE product that is not targeted > at production systems was not putting out security updates as quickly as > possible. There is a price to pay for everything in life, and the price > we pay with FCx is that maybe we won't be getting updates as quickly as > we did in the past. I don't know; I figure it is our duty to bitch while testing this stuff. Some people have it down to an art. You gotta admire them for that. > The no free lunch comment was about more than just Redhat and Fedora. > It's really about the whole open source movement. Almost all of the big > projects have now some form of commercial product, e.g. sendmail, MySQL, > Postgresql, Redhat, Suse, and so on. They only way we will be able to > continue enjoying these platforms is if commercial users paid some money > to help support the products. All of our Redhat boxes at work are paid > for, this lets me have a platform to play with at home. If no one paid > for these things, how long do you think the products would last? Redhat is doing fine; we don't need to worry about them going hungry. It was Redhat that made Linus a multi-millionaire afterall. > <snip> > > Since this was brought up in this forum, this would be > > the appropriate place for that. A simple, "Hell no we wouldn't > > do something like that" would do. Personally, I doubt that > <snip> > > You are absolutely right, the Fedora project needs much better > documentation and communication on their website. Someone does need to > make a comment about when we should expect security updates. But I for > one will not be raising the alarm if it takes a few days to get them out > for this platform. The bitch was more about if the delay was intentional. I'm not doing anything critical with my setup; just a private little web site and message board. I don't mind waiting for updates with development software but if it was by design then that's a whole different matter.
