> I'll agree with this up to a point. M$ DOES listen in its own fashion, > otherwise there wouldn't be any updates. Like the unfixed IE exploit? Or the half dozen others known, documented and still fully exploitable? For months? Their fashion of listening is when the stock analysts tell them security is an issue. So they respond with some PR about how they are really picking up security. Really. They mean it and they;ll do it. Someday. In their own fashion. /me now goes to find all the PR where we promised you Fedora or Linux in general was ready for the general use desktop and decides you got what you paid for. > > > > The big advantage with open source is that the developers listen. > > Ok, they listen. Where are the fixes for the latest hardware? You have the hardware. You are a self proclaimed, card carrying gets paid-to-do-it kernel hacker. Where is your bugzilla entry? Where is the debug info? Where is your suggested fix? Patch? Are you posting this on the devel-list? So the developers *can* listen? > Again, where are the fixes? Where are the M$ fixes. Your "state of the art" mb works so well that the latest worm can cripple your drive in half the time. Fantastic. > Where are the lines in Bugzilla that say "Fixed in kernel version > such and such"?? Where's your request? You really think MS is clairvoyant? That they would magically know that your system doesn't work? > installs, and WORKS (however lousily). This is the problem with you whole rant. You admit their solution is lousy in ways that are apparently unimportant to you. So you understand that these things are give priority. In this case, there are plenty of working "state of the art" mb's. And you chose one without doing the research a "kernel hacker" would have done. If by WORKS a system has to ignore vulnerabilities for so long it's not even a cool script kiddie hack anymore, then you will be happy with MS. And since you don't care about security, stability, scalability, and such tired and dogmatic religious concepts as freedom, choice, and " old fashioned "get off your ass and file a bug report" work ethic, then they will be just as happy with you. --jeremy