On Tue, 2004-02-17 at 10:07, Jef Spaleta wrote: > Edward Croft wrote: > > > I think that we need to have the financial support structure in > > place. > > That would make sense...if fedora were managed by a non-profit > organization...and if the majority of the development effort were > being done by volunteers. But at this point, the reality of the > situation is that a very large chunk of what can be considered fedora > development is red hat employee time. And a good chunk of the physical > resources are very much red hat owned resources still. > > And before we can competently talk about anything like a a 'financial > support structure' to support the community volunteers based on the sell > of swag. Someone in the community is going to have to have a serious > conversation with Red Hat (as in the legal department),on how Fedora > trademarked logos and artwork can be licensed and used. US trademark > laws being what they are, you (or whatever legal entity you create) will > have to get pen a trademark license agreement with Red Hat to use > whatever Fedora trademarks are developed. I'm not saying this is a bad > idea, I'm just saying if you are serious about it, yer going to have to > get access the trademarks in a formal manner. And don't be too shocked > if Red Hat wants to have an opportunity to sell Fedora trademarked swag > for its own reasons. > > Anyways, if you are serious about this i would suggest that you first > start the ball rolling by trying to build and incorporate a non profit > organization whose purpose is to provide resources to fedora volunteers > in an open,transparent, organized manner. Initially, such a non-profit > organization could take in donations from community members and > redistribute those donations in an 'equitable' way back to the community > volunteers who are actively working on fedora. Don't count on being able > to sell branded swag initially. If I were Red Hat I would be very > reluctantly to license the Fedora trademarks to a person or entity > before they have shown a real commitment to follow through with the goal > of being a support resource to community volunteers. > > -jef"its all about initiative"spaleta I think that there is one additional issue here that would at least need to be clarified (I think) and that is that the font being used for Fedora. Based upon a post here: https://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2003-October/msg00070.html The font being used is Myriad, which is not available to my knowledge for free. It is under a license from Adobe for "commercial" use. What additional licensing issues are there for the Fedora "bling-bling" if this font is used on products for sale? Marc