On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 11:10:58AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> * Jarek Poplawski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 10:16:13AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > >
> > > * Jarek Poplawski <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > firstly, there's no notion of "timeslices" in CFS. (in CFS tasks
> > > > > "earn" a right to the CPU, and that "right" is not sliced in the
> > > > > traditional sense) But we tried a conceptually similar thing [...]
> > > >
> > > > >From kernel/sched_fair.c:
> > > >
> > > > "/*
> > > > * Targeted preemption latency for CPU-bound tasks:
> > > > * (default: 20ms, units: nanoseconds)
> > > > *
> > > > * NOTE: this latency value is not the same as the concept of
> > > > * 'timeslice length' - timeslices in CFS are of variable length.
> > > > * (to see the precise effective timeslice length of your workload,
> > > > * run vmstat and monitor the context-switches field)
> > > > ..."
> > > >
> > > > So, no notion of something, which are(!) of variable length, and which
> > > > precise effective timeslice lenght can be seen in nanoseconds? (But
> > > > not timeslice!)
> > >
> > > You should really read and understand the code you are arguing about :-/
> >
> > Maybe you could help me with better comments? IMHO, it would be enough
> > to warn new timeslices have different meaning, or stop to use this
> > term at all. [...]
>
> i'm curious, what better do you need than the very detailed comment
> quoted above? Which bit of "this latency value is not the same as the
> concept of timeslice length" is difficult to understand? The timeslices
> of tasks (i.e. the time they spend on a CPU without scheduling away) is
> _not_ maintained directly in CFS as a per-task variable that can be
> "cleared", it's not the metric that drives scheduling. Yes, of course
> CFS too "slices up CPU time", but those slices are not the per-task
> variables of traditional schedulers and cannot be 'cleared'.
It's not about this comment alone, but this comment plus "no notion"
comment, which appears in sched-design-CFS.txt too.
>
> > [...] (Btw, in -rc8-mm2 I see new sched_slice() function which seems
> > to return... time.)
>
> wrong again. That is a function, not a variable to be cleared. (Anyway,
> the noise/signal ratio is getting increasingly high in this thread with
> no progress in sight, so i cannot guarantee any further replies -
> possibly others will pick up the tab and explain/discuss any other
> questions that might come up. Patches are welcome of course.)
I can't see anything about clearing. I think, this was about charging,
which should change the key enough, to move a task to, maybe, a better
place in a que (tree) than with current ways.
Jarek P.
PS: Don't you think that a nice argue with some celebrity, like Ingo
Molnar himself, is by far more interesting than those dull patches?
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