Jerome Glisse wrote:
On 5/4/07, Thomas Hellström <[email protected]> wrote:
Keith Packard wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 01:01 +0200, Thomas Hellström wrote:
>
>
>> It might be possible to find schemes that work around this. One way
>> could possibly be to have a buffer mapping -and validate order for
>> shared buffers.
>>
>
> If mapping never blocks on anything other than the fence, then there
> isn't any dead lock possibility. What this says is that ordering of
> rendering between clients is *not DRMs problem*. I think that's a good
> solution though; I want to let multiple apps work on DRM-able memory
> with their own CPU without contention.
>
> I don't recall if Eric layed out the proposed rules, but:
>
> 1) Map never blocks on map. Clients interested in dealing with this
> are on their own.
>
> 2) Submit blocks on map. You must unmap all buffers before submitting
> them. Doing the relocations in the kernel makes this all possible.
>
> 3) Map blocks on the fence from submit. We can play with pending the
> flush until the app asks for the buffer back, or we can play with
> figuring out when flushes are useful automatically. Doesn't matter
> if the policy is in the kernel.
>
> I'm interested in making deadlock avoidence trivial and eliminating
any
> map-map contention.
>
>
It's rare to have two clients access the same buffer at the same time.
In what situation will this occur?
If we think of map / unmap and validation / fence as taking a buffer
mutex either for the CPU or for the GPU, that's the way implementation
is done today. The CPU side of the mutex should IIRC be per-client
recursive. OTOH, the TTM implementation won't stop the CPU from
accessing the buffer when it is unmapped, but then you're on your own.
"Mutexes" need to be taken in the correct order, otherwise a deadlock
will occur, and GL will, as outlined in Eric's illustration, more or
less encourage us to take buffers in the "incorrect" order.
In essence what you propose is to eliminate the deadlock problem by just
avoiding taking the buffer mutex unless we know the GPU has it. I see
two problems with this:
* It will encourage different DRI clients to simultaneously access
the same buffer.
* Inter-client and GPU data coherence can be guaranteed if we issue
a mb() / write-combining flush with the unmap operation (which,
BTW, I'm not sure is done today). Otherwise it is up to the
clients, and very easy to forget.
I'm a bit afraid we might in the future regret taking the easy way out?
OTOH, letting DRM resolve the deadlock by unmapping and remapping shared
buffers in the correct order might not be the best one either. It will
certainly mean some CPU overhead and what if we have to do the same with
buffer validation? (Yes for some operations with thousands and thousands
of relocations, the user space validation might need to stay).
Personally, I'm slightly biased towards having DRM resolve the deadlock,
but I think any solution will do as long as the implications and why we
choose a certain solution are totally clear.
For item 3) above the kernel must have a way to issue a flush when
needed for buffer eviction.
The current implementation also requires the buffer to be completely
flushed before mapping.
Other than that the flushing policy is currently completely up to the
DRM drivers.
/Thomas
I might say stupid things as i don't think i fully understand all
the input to this problem. Anyway here is my thought on all this:
1) First client map never block (as in Keith layout) except on
fence from drm side (point 3 in Keith layout)
But is there really a need for this except to avoid the above-mentioned
deadlock?
As I'm not too up to date with all the possibilities the servers and GL
clients may be using shared buffers,
I need some enlightenment :). Could we have an example, please?
4) We got 2 gpu queue:
- one with pending apps ask in which we do all stuff
necessary
to be done before submitting (locking buffer,
validation, ...)
for instance we might wait here for each buffer that are
still
mapped by some other apps in user space
- one run queue in which we add each apps ask that are now
ready to be submited to the gpu
This is getting closer and closer to a GPU scheduler, an interesting
topic indeed.
Perhaps we should have a separate discussion on the needs and
requirements for such a thing?
Regards,
/Thomas
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