Hi all,
As pointed out by different people already, this is mainly a process
issue. If we can get enough people together who are willing to
contribute we can make this work. Obviously Jean did a great job (big
thanks!) but I can't blame him for throwing the towel. I was always
amazed at how much time and effort he put into this. This can't be
handled by a single person.
I believe we need to come up with a process (and I like what Hans
suggests) and then need to identify individuals for the different jobs
(reviewers, submitters, ...).
I also think we need to make more use of trac to assign tasks to
people and to provide progress information/reports so that driver
submitters know what's going on and in what stage of the pipeline
their driver currently is.
...juerg (volunteering as a reviewer)
On 4/11/07, Hans de Goede <[email protected]> wrote:
Rudolf Marek wrote:
> Hello all,
>
>
> Maybe we could try following:
>
> 1) person post the driver
> 2) quick review could be done critical fixes only, driver goes to -mm
> 3) review that goes deeper - check for interface conformity and all the
> stuff which could break - fixes for non-critical stuff
> 4) after this driver goes to Linus tree at the very beginning for the
> merge cycle marked as EXPERIMENTAL
> 5) if the person agrees to be in MAINTAINER final review may be done and
> EXPERIMENTAL could be removed. (This is step which might involve all
> steps to make the driver really perfect ;)
>
> Well this is just an idea. Neither it does solve the maintainer problem,
> nor it is perfect solution.
>
I like the general direction, but I don't really see a clear difference between
step 2 and 3, IMO the border between these steps is vague. Also this doesn't
address who can do (which kinda) reviews.
I've been thinking about a solution for the slow path for new driver inclusion
myself here is what I propose:
1a) We need a set of review guidelines / a review checklist. Here is a start:
* Must follow kernel coding style guidelines
* sysfs interface must be in accordance with Documentation/hwmon/sysfs
* proper locking to avoid 2 simultaneous attempts to communicate with the
device when for example multiple sysfs files get read at once.
* check the code for any obvious programming errors, like:
-not freeing resources (in error paths and in general)
-overrunning an array
-not checking return values of calls to other parts of the kernel
-of by one errors / bad loops
-etc.
1b) We need to decide somehow who can do reviews. For now I say anyone who
already maintains atleast one hwmon driver. But thats just a wild shot better
ideas are welcome.
2) We need a review process for new drivers, suggestion:
1. Person (the submitter) posts driver
2a. Someone (the reviewer) reviews it according to our checklist / guidelines
and posts a detailed report of his findings and what needs fixing
2b. The submitter posts a fixed version
2c. The reviewer re-reviews the fixed version and either approves the fixed
version, goto 3 or points out things that (still) need fixing, goto 2b.
3. The driver gets send to the -mm tree (marked as EXPERIMENTAL)
4. Another person (the second reviewer) reviews it, same process as with step
2, once approved goto 5
5. Send to Linus tree at the very beginning for the merge cycle still marked
as EXPERIMENTAL
6. After quite some time and positive usage reports without any negative
counter reports a patch gets send to Linux to remove EXPERIMENTAL status.
3) We need a review process for fixes to existing drivers, suggestion:
1. Person (the submitter) posts a patch to an existing driver
2. The driver maintainer is responsible for handling this patch and reviews
it. If necessary he either modifies the patch himself or asks the submitter
to make modifications.
3. Once the maintainer is happy with the patch, he sends it to Linus tree at
the beginning for the merge cycle.
The rationale of doing the new driver thing this way is to avoid having a
single person who bears end responsibilities for all reviews and thus becomes a
potential bottleneck. The problem with distributing reviews though is that most
of us aren't as experienced as Jean is. Thus I decided to just do the review
twice, to compensate (a bit) for this.
The rationale of doing modifications of existing drivers through the maintainer
is that he knows the code best, and thus can best judge if fixes are really
fixes or more bandaids / workarounds. And if these fixes have any unwanted side
effects.
To give proper credit: the above is heavily inspired by how Fedora handles new
packages, Fedora has thousands of packages written and maintained by 100's of
contributers. Using a model where any contributer, once he has taken the first
horde of becoming a contributer and thus proving (some) competence can review
other contributers new packages.
Problems with the above, I'm not completely happy with my current proposal for
deciding who can do reviews. Also I guess that Andrew and Linus would like to
have a single person to take hwmon patches from, thus we still need someone
todo the actual collecting of approved patches and sending them to Andrew
and/or Linus.
Last but not least I want to say that we should not focus too much on review,
review can only get us sofar. In my (abituguru) experience most real life hwmon
problems do not come from things easily catched by a review, but rather from
problems with (certain versions of) the hardware responding different then
expected. No amount of review will catch these cases, thus we also need to
concentrate on testing.
For both abituguru drivers I've posted to the forums of the abit websites and
the lm-sensors list as soon as I got something usable and that way managed to
build a small team of circa 8 testers for each version, a team which I send
each update to before sending it for upstream inclusion. Especially for the
abituguru (rev 1 and 2) driver this has helped my much since this is a strange
beast. The abituguru3 driver is more straight forward but also there the
testing by others has been invaluable.
> Personally better would be go with Jean and some kind of scheme noted
> above, which would solve our "takes too long problem" and preserve the
> high quality of drivers. This would mean some co-maintainers to Jean,
> rather than to live without Jean at all.
>
+1
Regards,
Hans
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