Linus Torvalds wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, Nick Piggin wrote:
So maybe the COW D$ aliasing patch-series is just the right thing to do. Not
worry about D$ at _all_ when doing the actual fork, and only worry about it
on an actual COW event. Hmm?
Well if we have the calls in there, we should at least make them work
right for the architectures there now. At the moment the flush_cache_mm
before the copy_page_range wouldn't seem to do anything if you can still
have threads dirty the cache again through existing TLB entries.
I don't think that flushing on COW is exactly right though, because dirty
data can remain invisible if you're only doing reads (no write, no flush).
You're right. A virtually indexed cache needs the flush _before_ we return
from the fork into a new process (since otherwise the dirty data won't be
visible in the new virtual address space).
So you've convinced me. Flushing at COW time _cannot_ be right, because it
by definition means that there has been a time when the new process didn't
see the dirty data in the case of a virtual index. And in the case of a
physical index it cannot matter.
So I think the right thing to do is to forget about the COW D$ series
(which probably _hides_ most of the problems in practice, so it "works"
that way) and instead go with Ralf's last patch that just moves the
flush_cache_mm() to after the TLB flush.
So long as we don't move around the mmap semaphores, I'm OK with that
patch...
We do need to have all the architecture people (especially S390, which has
been very strange in this regard in the past) check that it's ok. The
_mappings_ are still valid, so S390 should be able to do the write-back,
but there may be architectures that would want to do the flush _both_
before and after (for performance reasons - if writing out dirty data
requires a TLB lookup, doing most fo the writeback before is probably a
better thing, and then we can do a _second_ writeback after the flush to
close the race with some other thread dirtying the pages before the TLB
was marked read-only).
Yes, that's my theory too. Probably the thing to aim for is replacing
that API with a new single call to flush caches and tlbs, and the
arch can do what best suits.
But for now, to get it actually *working*, moving the flush_cache_mm
seems like the first step.
I added linux-arch and Martin Schwidefsky (s390) to the Cc:.
Guys, in case you missed the earlier discussion: there's a suggested patch
by Ralf Baechle on linux-kernel (but it does just the "flush after"
version, not the "perhaps we need it both before and after" thing I
theorise about above). Message-ID: [email protected].
As I mentioned there, we probably want to to check that other places
which flush caches before invalidating TLBs (eg. most of the kernel) is
OK in the presence of concurrent writes to valid TLBs from other threads.
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