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Got the answer to activate the wireless card on Dell laptops (M501R) in Fedora 14 using Broadcom Card.

Use the driver given in the following link and follow the readme file to install.

http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php

Rohit


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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: No need for AV tools on Linux, eh? (Joe Zeff)
  2. Re: No need for AV tools on Linux, eh? (les)
  3. Re: No need for AV tools on Linux, eh? (Fernando Cassia)
  4. Re: Running Blender 2.56 on Fedora 13 and 14 (M?ir?n Duffy)
  5. Re: Running Blender 2.56 on Fedora 13 and 14 (Athmane Madjoudj)
  6. Kororaa 14 Beta2 released (Chris Smart)
  7. Not able to connect to wifi in Fedora 14 (Rohit Farmer)
  8. Re: Not able to connect to wifi in Fedora 14 (Anne Wilson)
  9. R: Re: Not able to connect to wifi in Fedora 14
     ([email protected])
 10. Re: No need for AV tools on Linux, eh? (Anne Wilson)
 11. Re: Not able to connect to wifi in Fedora 14 (JB)
 12. Re: Kororaa 14 Beta2 released (Hiisi)
 13. Re: No need for AV tools on Linux, eh? (Ed Greshko)
 14. Re: No need for AV tools on Linux, eh? (JB)
 15. Re: No need for AV tools on Linux, eh? (Jon Ingason)
 16. Re: No need for AV tools on Linux, eh? (JB)
 17. Re: No need for AV tools on Linux, eh? (Hiisi)


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Joe Zeff <[email protected]>
To: Community support for Fedora users <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 16:16:25 -0800
Subject: Re: No need for AV tools on Linux, eh?
On 02/10/2011 03:57 PM, Alan Cox wrote:
- Users don't understand what poor security costs them so won't pay
  for it

Oddly enough, however, users who won't pay for a secure OS are more than willing to pay for third-party programs designed to plug the security holes.



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: les <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 10:11:35 -0800
Subject: Re: No need for AV tools on Linux, eh?
On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 23:57 +0000, Alan Cox wrote:
> > The real issue is two fold:
> >
> > 1. The vast number of compute systems across the Internet that are not
> > managed at all.
> >
> > 2. The inability of platform creators to consider security as a priority.
>
> This is driven by economic realities
>
> - Users don't understand what poor security costs them so won't pay
>   for it
>
> - The legal system is curiously lax when it comes to software and people
>   get away both with contractual opt-outs no physical device maker could
>   and end users somehow manage to dodge all sorts of liabilities for
>   carelessness on their part they couldn't with a car
>
> - Most users aren't able to tell good and bad security (the lemon problem)
>
> - Particularly in business the users don't actually care about security
>   or taking insecure actions. It's not *their* problem if the hotel front
>   desk gets a virus because they installed games on it.
>
> As with most things - if you want to fix it make it more expensive not to
> do so than to fix it, the rest then just happens.
>
> Alan

What I also find is that the average business user is focused on his
job, not on security.  Most have seen the news, but so far it hasn't
affected them personally, so it must have been some thing that other
person did that got them in that fix.  Lack of personal expense is more
than economic.  Moreover most things people use do not expose their
bodies and persons to the kinds of threats that affect their computers,
resulting in the threat not being internalized.

It doesn't help that the governments of the world and the business
admins want back door access to the users systems.  The legality of that
access is for another thread, but one of the side effects is that really
effective security would make that access nearly impossible.  Remember
the hassels over PGP when it came available?  And now China has copies
of the Microsoft core software source code, so that they can have better
access to the control of the internet within their own country.

Add the DMCA, DRM software, the Sony Blu-Ray software scandal and the
vision that Hollywood uses to glamorize crackers (note the use of the
word cracker, the evil doer on networks, vs hacker, which is the legal
_expression_ of new uses for existing software and hardware).

The question becomes not how to secure a system, but rather how much
should it be secured.  The tines of that fork are governmental, user
need/requirements, reuse as a hacker might do, and access by ones
business supervisors on business systems or access by ones business
supervisors on ones personal systems, and the ultimate decisions of what
should or should not be legal use of ones personal computer (porn, file
sharing, personal email, financial dealings, personal communications,
and facebook type uses etc.)

       Then there are archivists, who look toward archeology of the future,
and the future analysis of our society and how we should protect and
preserve the content not just of our production, but of our culture and
society.

       Then we have to balance those interests against the desire of each
person for their own personal freedom or lack thereof in their
particular culture, such as socialism, sharia law, mosaic law and so on
for all the distinct cultures/theologies/societies that exist on
earth.

       There is not a single point of security, but rather a sphere in a
complex dimensional space.  Where one falls within that sphere will
determine the value they place on security and privacy.

       As we go from where we are today into a future where everything will,
or may anyway, be on line, how does each society deal with these issues?
What will cause the next civil war and where will it occur?

       This all ties into the security question because total security is at
center of care space and none at all is the exclusionary border.
Economics, status, and personal feelings are all spaces that overlap and
overlap the security space. Your particular comfort zone is likely
within the space described by the union of your particular spheres of
interest somewhere within that global space.

       So the questions that this poses are:
1.  Do you need security?
2.  How much security do you need?
3.  How much would you pay to get that security?
4.  How much effort would you expend to maintain that security?

Know the answers to the questions and you begin to answer the question
about security from the individual perspective.

Repose the questions to your particular government and you begin to
outline the space of permissible security.

Ask those questions again to your community, church, or peer group and
you get the societal view.

Ask the one final time to your business colleagues and you get the
business perspective.

Each of these perspectives outlines a potential area of security that
would be acceptable to that group.  Find the AND area of all these
spheres and you get the answer that will fit the current market place.
If you want more system security, you have to take steps to change the
answers at the origin of the answers, whatever they may be.

Regards,
Les H








---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Fernando Cassia <[email protected]>
To: Community support for Fedora users <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 23:48:18 -0300
Subject: Re: No need for AV tools on Linux, eh?
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Rahul Sundaram <[email protected]> wrote:
> One could avoid this problem to a good extend by
> cherry picking updates and doing just security updates on your system is
> simple and easy with either PackageKit or yum  (via yum-security plugin)

First time I hear of this... (yum-security plugin). I´ll Google it up.
Thanks for the heads up!

FC



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Máirín Duffy <[email protected]>
To: Community support for Fedora users <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 22:11:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Running Blender 2.56 on Fedora 13 and 14
Hi Valent,

On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 01:05 +0100, [email protected] wrote:
> Just remove all blender files and start over. Somehow blender doedn't
> see python libs.

So I deleted everything, downloaded fresh using your tutorial. I already
had gettext and gettext-devel. Same error:

[[email protected] linux2]$ ./blender
Info: Config directory with "startup.blend" file not found.
found bundled
python: /home/duffy/Downloads/blender-build/install/linux2/2.56/python
Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: can't initialize sys standard streams
ImportError: No module named encodings.utf_8
Aborted (core dumped)
[[email protected] linux2]$



< :( 3   <= broken heart!

~m




---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Athmane Madjoudj <[email protected]>
To: Community support for Fedora users <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 05:03:24 +0100
Subject: Re: Running Blender 2.56 on Fedora 13 and 14
On 02/11/2011 04:11 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Hi Valent,

On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 01:05 +0100, [email protected] wrote:
Just remove all blender files and start over. Somehow blender doedn't
see python libs.

So I deleted everything, downloaded fresh using your tutorial. I already
had gettext and gettext-devel. Same error:

[[email protected] linux2]$ ./blender
Info: Config directory with "startup.blend" file not found.
found bundled
python: /home/duffy/Downloads/blender-build/install/linux2/2.56/python
Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: can't initialize sys standard streams
ImportError: No module named encodings.utf_8
Aborted (core dumped)
[[email protected] linux2]$


I've justed grabed blender-2.56a from [1], it work well on f14 x86_64, maybe you're using Python3 (instead of 2.7)

[1]: http://download.blender.org/release/Blender2.56abeta/blender-2.56a-beta-linux-glibc27-x86_64.tar.bz2

--
Athmane Madjoudj



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Chris Smart <[email protected]>
To: Community support for Fedora users <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:54:00 +1100
Subject: Kororaa 14 Beta2 released
If anyone's interested, Beta2 has been released (https://kororaa.org/download).

This release includes several fixes, updates, as well as the following
major changes:

   * GNOME version – that’s right, now Kororaa comes with GNOME too!
   * GNOME Shell – experience the future of the GNOME desktop (turn
on manually, or pass “gnome-shell” to kernel)
   * Elementary icon set and GTK theme for GNOME
   * KDE updated to 4.5.5
   * LibreOffice replaces OpenOffice.org
   * KSplice support – stay secure with rebootless kernel updates!
   * Lennart Poettering’s “200 line patch” bash version included
   * Updated extras installer now supports AMD/ATI video drivers (as
well as Flash and NVIDIA)

Let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Chris



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Rohit Farmer <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:04:50 +0530
Subject: Not able to connect to wifi in Fedora 14
Hello everyone,

I have just bought Dell Inspiron M501R AMD Phenom Quad Core, which was bundled with windows7 where all the features are working fine. I then installed Fedora 14 64 bit on a partition and now i am not able to connect to wifi.

I used the command  lspci -vnn and at the end it shows the following, does this output means the drivers of the wlan card is not installed.

04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4727] (rev 01)
    Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:0010]
    Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 7
    Memory at fe900000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
    Capabilities: <access denied>

05:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller [10ec:8136] (rev 02)
    Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:0448]
    Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 43
    I/O ports at d000 [size=256]
    Memory at d0110000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=4K]
    Memory at d0100000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=64K]
    Expansion ROM at fe800000 [disabled] [size=128K]
    Capabilities: <access denied>
    Kernel driver in use: r8169
    Kernel modules: r8169


Can anyone please suggest me how to connect to wifi on Fedora 14.


Thanks and Regards

Rohit

--
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M.Tech Bioinformatics
Department of Computational Biology and Bioinformatics
Jacob School of Biengineering and Biotechnology
Sam Higginbottom Institute of Agriculture, Technology and Sciences
(Formerly known as Allahabad Agricultural Institute - Deemed University)
Allahabad, UP, INDIA - 211 007
Ph. No. 9839845093, 9415261403
e-Mail [email protected]
Blog http://rohitsspace.blogspot.com


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Anne Wilson <[email protected]>
To: Community support for Fedora users <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:52:54 +0000
Subject: Re: Not able to connect to wifi in Fedora 14
On Friday 11 February 2011 07:34:50 Rohit Farmer wrote:
> I have just bought Dell Inspiron M501R AMD Phenom Quad Core, which was
> bundled with windows7 where all the features are working fine. I then
> installed Fedora 14 64 bit on a partition and now i am not able to connect
> to wifi.
>
> I used the command  lspci -vnn and at the end it shows the following, does
> this output means the drivers of the wlan card is not installed.
>
> 04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g
> LP-PHY [14e4:4727] (rev 01)

This is the same device as on my netbook.  I have been told that it will not
work with the b43 driver.  I have been promised some help this morning on IRC,
and I'll report back if I get it to work.

Anne
--
New to KDE Software? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:06:15 +0100 (CET)
Subject: R: Re: Not able to connect to wifi in Fedora 14


>----Messaggio originale----
>Da: [email protected]
>Data: 11-feb-2011 7.52
>A:
"Community support for Fedora users"<[email protected]>
>Ogg: Re:
Not able to connect to wifi in Fedora 14
>
>On Friday 11 February 2011 07:34:50
Rohit Farmer wrote:
>> I have just bought Dell Inspiron M501R AMD Phenom Quad
Core, which was
>> bundled with windows7 where all the features are working
fine. I then
>> installed Fedora 14 64 bit on a partition and now i am not able
to connect
>> to wifi.
>>
>> I used the command  lspci -vnn and at the end it
shows the following, does
>> this output means the drivers of the wlan card is
not installed.
>>
>> 04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation
BCM4313 802.11b/g
>> LP-PHY [14e4:4727] (rev 01)
>
>This is the same device as
on my netbook.  I have been told that it will not
>work with the b43 driver.
I have been promised some help this morning on IRC,
>and I'll report back if I
get it to work.
>
>Anne
>--
>

did you try this??:

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=253485



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Anne Wilson <[email protected]>
To: Community support for Fedora users <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:50:52 +0000
Subject: Re: No need for AV tools on Linux, eh?
On Friday 11 February 2011 02:48:18 Fernando Cassia wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Rahul Sundaram <[email protected]> wrote:
> > One could avoid this problem to a good extend by
> > cherry picking updates and doing just security updates on your system is
> > simple and easy with either PackageKit or yum  (via yum-security plugin)
>
> First time I hear of this... (yum-security plugin). I´ll Google it up.
> Thanks for the heads up!
>
Warning: No matches found for: yum-security

So where do we find it?

Anne
--
New to KDE Software? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: JB <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 08:12:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Not able to connect to wifi in Fedora 14
Rohit Farmer <rohit.farmer <at> gmail.com> writes:

> ...

This should give you some initial help:
Google search: fedora wireless BCM4313

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=1442742

JB






---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Hiisi <[email protected]>
To: Community support for Fedora users <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:28:15 +0300
Subject: Re: Kororaa 14 Beta2 released
pe, 2011-02-11 kello 16:54 +1100, Chris Smart kirjoitti:
>
> Let me know what you think.

Well, since you asked... I think it sounds pretty cool! Will give it a
try soon enough.
--
Real Men don't make backups.  They upload it via ftp and let the world mirror it.
       -- Linus Torvalds




---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ed Greshko <[email protected]>
To: Community support for Fedora users <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:21:19 +0800
Subject: Re: No need for AV tools on Linux, eh?
On 02/11/2011 03:50 PM, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Friday 11 February 2011 02:48:18 Fernando Cassia wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Rahul Sundaram <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> One could avoid this problem to a good extend by
>>> cherry picking updates and doing just security updates on your system is
>>> simple and easy with either PackageKit or yum  (via yum-security plugin)
>> First time I hear of this... (yum-security plugin). I´ll Google it up.
>> Thanks for the heads up!
>>
> Warning: No matches found for: yum-security
>
> So where do we find it?
>
> Anne

Look again?

yum install yum-plugin-security



--
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市八德路四段



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: JB <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 08:21:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: No need for AV tools on Linux, eh?
Anne Wilson <annew <at> kde.org> writes:

> ...

$ yum list "*yum*security*"

JB







---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jon Ingason <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:24:54 +0100
Subject: Re: No need for AV tools on Linux, eh?
2011-02-11 08:50, Anne Wilson skrev:
On Friday 11 February 2011 02:48:18 Fernando Cassia wrote:
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Rahul Sundaram<[email protected]>  wrote:
One could avoid this problem to a good extend by
cherry picking updates and doing just security updates on your system is
simple and easy with either PackageKit or yum  (via yum-security plugin)

First time I hear of this... (yum-security plugin). I´ll Google it up.
Thanks for the heads up!

Warning: No matches found for: yum-security

It is yum-plugin-security!

Just installed it.

So where do we find it?

Anne



--
Regards
Jon Ingason



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: JB <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:02:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: No need for AV tools on Linux, eh?
les <hlhowell <at> pacbell.net> writes:

> ...
> It doesn't help that the governments of the world and the business
> admins want back door access to the users systems.  The legality of that
> access is for another thread, but one of the side effects is that really
> effective security would make that access nearly impossible.  Remember
> the hassels over PGP when it came available?  And now China has copies
> of the Microsoft core software source code, so that they can have better
> access to the control of the internet within their own country.
> ...

China (and Russia, btw) do it in their own interest. So does everybody else.

Software (closed-source, even open-source) is a potent weapon in the age of
computerization, automation, and militarization of cyber space.
No international treaties will prevent that.

What do you think is inside all that complicated network gear (routers, etc) ?
Even things like Internet protocol specs (an open protocol by itself) can be
a matter of advantage/disadvantage to many interests/competing technologies.

JB








---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Hiisi <[email protected]>
To: Community support for Fedora users <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:14:20 +0300
Subject: Re: No need for AV tools on Linux, eh?
pe, 2011-02-11 kello 09:02 +0000, JB kirjoitti:
> China (and Russia, btw) do it in their own interest. So does everybody
> else.

Could you provide some links?
TIA
Hiisi
       Moscow, Russia
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(Formerly known as Allahabad Agricultural Institute - Deemed University)
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