My oldest PC (an inherited Dell PowerEdge SC1420, remodeled by a friend who speaks hardware, to run without RAID, serving as live storage and emergency backup) boots as far as "starting atd" (which says OK), and hangs. What comes after atd, or should?? And why launch atd anyhow? According to the man page, it should have been swallowed up in cron long since. Anyway, I suspect the real trouble is misrecognition of the monitor. That's an HP w2207h, at 1680x1050; but xrandr reports 800x480. livna-config-display (which I happened to stumble on, whatever it is) seems to tell me the F14 install lacks nvidia -- though I have both rpmfusion repos enabled. Running gpk under ssh -Y from another machine on the LAN, and searching nvidia, finds a long list of modules. Trying to install them all tells me it gets a lot of conflicts with 96xx and 173xx; I go back and remove them -- which takes some doing. Then I get errors because something I checked is older than something already installed. (Remember something earlier told me I had *no* nvidia. Some of the attempts that appeared to fail must have done good things while I wasn't looking, maybe ...) Finally, finally, a gpk-application does complete. I close it, and tell the beleagured old machine to reboot. It gets to starting atd, calls that OK -- and hangs. Is there a way to kill yourself electronically, all at once, and get it over with?? -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is. -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines