On 10/25/2010 01:19 PM, Dj YB wrote: > On Monday October 25 2010 20:20:36 you wrote: >> I'm trying to get wine installed on Fedora 13 x86_64 but I get an error: >> >> Transaction Check Error: >> package libuuid-2.17.2-9.fc13.x86_64 (which is newer than >> libuuid-2.17.2-8.fc13.i686) is already installed package >> mesa-libGLU-7.8.1-9.fc13.x86_64 (which is newer than >> mesa-libGLU-7.8.1-8.fc13.i686) is already installed package >> openldap-2.4.21-11.fc13.x86_64 (which is newer than >> openldap-2.4.21-10.fc13.i686) is already installed > Hi Kevin, > can you post the entire output including the "yum install ..." part. > Thanks, > YB. > # yum install wine Loaded plugins: changelog, fastestmirror, list-data, post-transaction-actions, presto, protectbase, ps, refresh-packagekit, refresh- : updatesd, remove-with-leaves, show-leaves Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile * fedora: mirror.seas.harvard.edu * livna: ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de * rpmfusion-free: mirror.liberty.edu * rpmfusion-free-updates: mirror.liberty.edu * rpmfusion-nonfree: mirror.liberty.edu * rpmfusion-nonfree-updates: mirror.liberty.edu * updates: mirror.fdcservers.net 0 packages excluded due to repository protections Setting up Install Process Resolving Dependencies --> Running transaction check ---> Package wine.x86_64 0:1.3.4-1.fc13 set to be installed --> Processing Dependency: wine-capi(x86-32) = 1.3.4-1.fc13 for package: wine-1.3.4-1.fc13.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: wine-ldap(x86-32) = 1.3.4-1.fc13 for package: wine-1.3.4-1.fc13.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: wine-pulseaudio(x86-32) = 1.3.4-1.fc13 for package: wine-1.3.4-1.fc13.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: wine-pulseaudio(x86-64) = 1.3.4-1.fc13 for package: wine-1.3.4-1.fc13.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: wine-fonts = 1.3.4-1.fc13 for package: wine-1.3.4-1.fc13.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: wine-core(x86-64) = 1.3.4-1.fc13 for package: wine-1.3.4-1.fc13.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: wine-desktop = 1.3.4-1.fc13 for package: wine-1.3.4-1.fc13.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: wine-cms(x86-64) = 1.3.4-1.fc13 for package: wine-1.3.4-1.fc13.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: wine-cms(x86-32) = 1.3.4-1.fc13 for package: wine-1.3.4-1.fc13.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: wine-wow(x86-64) = 1.3.4-1.fc13 for package: wine-1.3.4-1.fc13.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: wine-twain(x86-32) = 1.3.4-1.fc13 for package: wine-1.3.4-1.fc13.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: wine-twain(x86-64) = 1.3.4-1.fc13 for package: wine-1.3.4-1.fc13.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: wine-ldap(x86-64) = 1.3.4-1.fc13 for package: wine-1.3.4-1.fc13.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: wine-capi(x86-64) = 1.3.4-1.fc13 for package: wine-1.3.4-1.fc13.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: wine-core(x86-32) = 1.3.4-1.fc13 for package: wine-1.3.4-1.fc13.x86_64 --> Running transaction check ---> Package wine-capi.i686 0:1.3.4-1.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package wine-capi.x86_64 0:1.3.4-1.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package wine-cms.i686 0:1.3.4-1.fc13 set to be installed --> Processing Dependency: liblcms.so.1 for package: wine-cms-1.3.4-1.fc13.i686 ---> Package wine-cms.x86_64 0:1.3.4-1.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package wine-core.i686 0:1.3.4-1.fc13 set to be installed --> Processing Dependency: wine-common = 1.3.4-1.fc13 for package: wine-core-1.3.4-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: nss-mdns(x86-32) for package: wine-core-1.3.4-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libXrender(x86-32) for package: wine-core-1.3.4-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libGL.so.1 for package: wine-core-1.3.4-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: freetype(x86-32) for package: wine-core-1.3.4-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libxml2.so.2(LIBXML2_2.4.30) for package: wine-core-1.3.4-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libGLU.so.1 for package: wine-core-1.3.4-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: gnutls(x86-32) for package: wine-core-1.3.4-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libxml2.so.2 for package: wine-core-1.3.4-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libxml2.so.2(LIBXML2_2.5.8) for package: wine-core-1.3.4-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libxml2.so.2(LIBXML2_2.5.7) for package: wine-core-1.3.4-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libxml2.so.2(LIBXML2_2.6.15) for package: wine-core-1.3.4-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libICE.so.6 for package: wine-core-1.3.4-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libz.so.1 for package: wine-core-1.3.4-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libusb-0.1.so.4 for package: wine-core-1.3.4-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libgphoto2_port.so.0 for package: wine-core-1.3.4-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libX11.so.6 for package: wine-core-1.3.4-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libgphoto2.so.2 for package: wine-core-1.3.4-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libxml2.so.2(LIBXML2_2.6.0) for package: wine-core-1.3.4-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libXext.so.6 for package: wine-core-1.3.4-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libxml2.so.2(LIBXML2_2.6.8) for package: wine-core-1.3.4-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libexif.so.12 for package: wine-core-1.3.4-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libSM.so.6 for package: wine-core-1.3.4-1.fc13.i686 ---> Package wine-core.x86_64 0:1.3.4-1.fc13 set to be installed --> Processing Dependency: nss-mdns(x86-64) for package: wine-core-1.3.4-1.fc13.x86_64 ---> Package wine-desktop.noarch 0:1.3.4-1.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package wine-fonts.noarch 0:1.3.4-1.fc13 set to be installed --> Processing Dependency: wine-small-fonts = 1.3.4-1.fc13 for package: wine-fonts-1.3.4-1.fc13.noarch --> Processing Dependency: wine-courier-fonts = 1.3.4-1.fc13 for package: wine-fonts-1.3.4-1.fc13.noarch --> Processing Dependency: wine-marlett-fonts = 1.3.4-1.fc13 for package: wine-fonts-1.3.4-1.fc13.noarch --> Processing Dependency: wine-system-fonts = 1.3.4-1.fc13 for package: wine-fonts-1.3.4-1.fc13.noarch --> Processing Dependency: wine-symbol-fonts = 1.3.4-1.fc13 for package: wine-fonts-1.3.4-1.fc13.noarch --> Processing Dependency: liberation-narrow-fonts for package: wine-fonts-1.3.4-1.fc13.noarch ---> Package wine-ldap.i686 0:1.3.4-1.fc13 set to be installed --> Processing Dependency: libldap_r-2.4.so.2 for package: wine-ldap-1.3.4-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: liblber-2.4.so.2 for package: wine-ldap-1.3.4-1.fc13.i686 ---> Package wine-ldap.x86_64 0:1.3.4-1.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package wine-pulseaudio.i686 0:1.3.4-1.fc13 set to be installed --> Processing Dependency: libpulse.so.0 for package: wine-pulseaudio-1.3.4-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libpulse.so.0(PULSE_0) for package: wine-pulseaudio-1.3.4-1.fc13.i686 ---> Package wine-pulseaudio.x86_64 0:1.3.4-1.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package wine-twain.i686 0:1.3.4-1.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package wine-twain.x86_64 0:1.3.4-1.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package wine-wow.x86_64 0:1.3.4-1.fc13 set to be installed --> Running transaction check ---> Package freetype.i686 0:2.3.11-6.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package gnutls.i686 0:2.8.6-2.fc13 set to be installed --> Processing Dependency: libstdc++.so.6(CXXABI_1.3) for package: gnutls-2.8.6-2.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libtasn1.so.3(LIBTASN1_0_3) for package: gnutls-2.8.6-2.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libgcrypt.so.11(GCRYPT_1.2) for package: gnutls-2.8.6-2.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libgpg-error.so.0 for package: gnutls-2.8.6-2.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libtasn1.so.3 for package: gnutls-2.8.6-2.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libgcrypt.so.11 for package: gnutls-2.8.6-2.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4) for package: gnutls-2.8.6-2.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libstdc++.so.6 for package: gnutls-2.8.6-2.fc13.i686 ---> Package lcms-libs.i686 0:1.19-1.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package libICE.i686 0:1.0.6-2.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package libSM.i686 0:1.1.0-7.fc12 set to be installed --> Processing Dependency: libuuid.so.1 for package: libSM-1.1.0-7.fc12.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libuuid.so.1(UUID_1.0) for package: libSM-1.1.0-7.fc12.i686 ---> Package libX11.i686 0:1.3.1-3.fc13 set to be installed --> Processing Dependency: libxcb.so.1 for package: libX11-1.3.1-3.fc13.i686 ---> Package libXext.i686 0:1.1.2-2.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package libXrender.i686 0:0.9.5-1.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package liberation-narrow-fonts.noarch 0:1.06.0.20100721-1.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package libexif.i686 0:0.6.19-1.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package libgphoto2.i686 0:2.4.8-1.fc13 set to be installed --> Processing Dependency: libltdl.so.7 for package: libgphoto2-2.4.8-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libjpeg.so.62 for package: libgphoto2-2.4.8-1.fc13.i686 ---> Package libusb.i686 0:0.1.12-23.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package libxml2.i686 0:2.7.7-1.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package mesa-libGL.i686 0:7.8.1-8.fc13 set to be installed --> Processing Dependency: mesa-dri-drivers(x86-32) = 7.8.1-8.fc13 for package: mesa-libGL-7.8.1-8.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libXxf86vm.so.1 for package: mesa-libGL-7.8.1-8.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libXdamage.so.1 for package: mesa-libGL-7.8.1-8.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libXfixes.so.3 for package: mesa-libGL-7.8.1-8.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libdrm.so.2 for package: mesa-libGL-7.8.1-8.fc13.i686 ---> Package mesa-libGLU.i686 0:7.8.1-8.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package nss-mdns.i686 0:0.10-8.fc12 set to be installed ---> Package nss-mdns.x86_64 0:0.10-8.fc12 set to be installed ---> Package openldap.i686 0:2.4.21-10.fc13 set to be installed --> Processing Dependency: libsasl2.so.2 for package: openldap-2.4.21-10.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libssl.so.10 for package: openldap-2.4.21-10.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libcrypto.so.10 for package: openldap-2.4.21-10.fc13.i686 ---> Package pulseaudio-libs.i686 0:0.9.21-6.fc13 set to be installed --> Processing Dependency: libwrap.so.0 for package: pulseaudio-libs-0.9.21-6.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libdbus-1.so.3 for package: pulseaudio-libs-0.9.21-6.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libsndfile.so.1(libsndfile.so.1.0) for package: pulseaudio-libs-0.9.21-6.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libsndfile.so.1 for package: pulseaudio-libs-0.9.21-6.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libasyncns.so.0 for package: pulseaudio-libs-0.9.21-6.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libXtst.so.6 for package: pulseaudio-libs-0.9.21-6.fc13.i686 ---> Package wine-common.noarch 0:1.3.4-1.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package wine-courier-fonts.noarch 0:1.3.4-1.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package wine-marlett-fonts.noarch 0:1.3.4-1.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package wine-small-fonts.noarch 0:1.3.4-1.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package wine-symbol-fonts.noarch 0:1.3.4-1.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package wine-system-fonts.noarch 0:1.3.4-1.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package zlib.i686 0:1.2.3-23.fc12 set to be installed --> Running transaction check ---> Package cyrus-sasl-lib.i686 0:2.1.23-11.fc13 set to be installed --> Processing Dependency: libdb-4.8.so for package: cyrus-sasl-lib-2.1.23-11.fc13.i686 ---> Package dbus-libs.i686 1:1.2.24-1.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package libXdamage.i686 0:1.1.2-2.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package libXfixes.i686 0:4.0.4-2.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package libXtst.i686 0:1.0.99.2-3.fc12 set to be installed --> Processing Dependency: libXi.so.6 for package: libXtst-1.0.99.2-3.fc12.i686 ---> Package libXxf86vm.i686 0:1.1.0-1.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package libasyncns.i686 0:0.8-1.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package libdrm.i686 0:2.4.21-2.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package libgcrypt.i686 0:1.4.5-4.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package libgpg-error.i686 0:1.7-1.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package libjpeg.i686 0:6b-46.fc12 set to be installed ---> Package libsndfile.i686 0:1.0.20-5.fc13 set to be installed --> Processing Dependency: libvorbisenc.so.2 for package: libsndfile-1.0.20-5.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libogg.so.0 for package: libsndfile-1.0.20-5.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libvorbis.so.0 for package: libsndfile-1.0.20-5.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libFLAC.so.8 for package: libsndfile-1.0.20-5.fc13.i686 ---> Package libstdc++.i686 0:4.4.4-10.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package libtasn1.i686 0:2.4-2.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package libtool-ltdl.i686 0:2.2.6-20.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package libuuid.i686 0:2.17.2-8.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package libxcb.i686 0:1.5-1.fc13 set to be installed --> Processing Dependency: libXau.so.6 for package: libxcb-1.5-1.fc13.i686 ---> Package mesa-dri-drivers.i686 0:7.8.1-8.fc13 set to be installed --> Processing Dependency: libselinux.so.1 for package: mesa-dri-drivers-7.8.1-8.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libexpat.so.1 for package: mesa-dri-drivers-7.8.1-8.fc13.i686 ---> Package openssl.i686 0:1.0.0a-1.fc13 set to be installed --> Processing Dependency: libk5crypto.so.3(k5crypto_3_MIT) for package: openssl-1.0.0a-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libkrb5.so.3 for package: openssl-1.0.0a-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libgssapi_krb5.so.2 for package: openssl-1.0.0a-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libk5crypto.so.3 for package: openssl-1.0.0a-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libcom_err.so.2 for package: openssl-1.0.0a-1.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libkrb5.so.3(krb5_3_MIT) for package: openssl-1.0.0a-1.fc13.i686 ---> Package tcp_wrappers-libs.i686 0:7.6-59.fc13 set to be installed --> Running transaction check ---> Package db4.i686 0:4.8.30-1.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package expat.i686 0:2.0.1-10.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package flac.i686 0:1.2.1-6.fc12 set to be installed ---> Package krb5-libs.i686 0:1.7.1-14.fc13 set to be installed --> Processing Dependency: libkeyutils.so.1(KEYUTILS_0.3) for package: krb5-libs-1.7.1-14.fc13.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libkeyutils.so.1 for package: krb5-libs-1.7.1-14.fc13.i686 ---> Package libXau.i686 0:1.0.5-1.fc12 set to be installed ---> Package libXi.i686 0:1.3.2-1.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package libcom_err.i686 0:1.41.10-7.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package libogg.i686 2:1.2.0-1.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package libselinux.i686 0:2.0.94-2.fc13 set to be installed ---> Package libvorbis.i686 1:1.3.1-1.fc13 set to be installed --> Running transaction check ---> Package keyutils-libs.i686 0:1.2-6.fc12 set to be installed --> Finished Dependency Resolution Dependencies Resolved ==================================================================================================================================== Package Arch Version Repository Size ==================================================================================================================================== Installing: wine x86_64 1.3.4-1.fc13 updates 31 k Installing for dependencies: cyrus-sasl-lib i686 2.1.23-11.fc13 fedora 135 k db4 i686 4.8.30-1.fc13 updates 614 k dbus-libs i686 1:1.2.24-1.fc13 fedora 129 k expat i686 2.0.1-10.fc13 fedora 78 k flac i686 1.2.1-6.fc12 fedora 239 k freetype i686 2.3.11-6.fc13 updates 362 k gnutls i686 2.8.6-2.fc13 updates 353 k keyutils-libs i686 1.2-6.fc12 fedora 18 k krb5-libs i686 1.7.1-14.fc13 updates 657 k lcms-libs i686 1.19-1.fc13 fedora 101 k libICE i686 1.0.6-2.fc13 fedora 52 k libSM i686 1.1.0-7.fc12 fedora 25 k libX11 i686 1.3.1-3.fc13 fedora 585 k libXau i686 1.0.5-1.fc12 fedora 21 k libXdamage i686 1.1.2-2.fc13 fedora 16 k libXext i686 1.1.2-2.fc13 updates 33 k libXfixes i686 4.0.4-2.fc13 fedora 19 k libXi i686 1.3.2-1.fc13 updates 32 k libXrender i686 0.9.5-1.fc13 fedora 26 k libXtst i686 1.0.99.2-3.fc12 fedora 21 k libXxf86vm i686 1.1.0-1.fc13 fedora 18 k libasyncns i686 0.8-1.fc13 fedora 24 k libcom_err i686 1.41.10-7.fc13 updates 34 k libdrm i686 2.4.21-2.fc13 updates 68 k liberation-narrow-fonts noarch 1.06.0.20100721-1.fc13 updates 197 k libexif i686 0.6.19-1.fc13 updates 290 k libgcrypt i686 1.4.5-4.fc13 fedora 228 k libgpg-error i686 1.7-1.fc13 fedora 59 k libgphoto2 i686 2.4.8-1.fc13 fedora 1.0 M libjpeg i686 6b-46.fc12 fedora 126 k libogg i686 2:1.2.0-1.fc13 fedora 22 k libselinux i686 2.0.94-2.fc13 updates 106 k libsndfile i686 1.0.20-5.fc13 fedora 161 k libstdc++ i686 4.4.4-10.fc13 updates 290 k libtasn1 i686 2.4-2.fc13 fedora 239 k libtool-ltdl i686 2.2.6-20.fc13 fedora 44 k libusb i686 0.1.12-23.fc13 updates 27 k libuuid i686 2.17.2-8.fc13 updates 62 k libvorbis i686 1:1.3.1-1.fc13 fedora 189 k libxcb i686 1.5-1.fc13 fedora 103 k libxml2 i686 2.7.7-1.fc13 fedora 798 k mesa-dri-drivers i686 7.8.1-8.fc13 updates 10 M mesa-libGL i686 7.8.1-8.fc13 updates 154 k mesa-libGLU i686 7.8.1-8.fc13 updates 188 k nss-mdns i686 0.10-8.fc12 fedora 22 k nss-mdns x86_64 0.10-8.fc12 fedora 21 k openldap i686 2.4.21-10.fc13 updates 237 k openssl i686 1.0.0a-1.fc13 updates 1.4 M pulseaudio-libs i686 0.9.21-6.fc13 fedora 419 k tcp_wrappers-libs i686 7.6-59.fc13 updates 62 k wine-capi i686 1.3.4-1.fc13 updates 35 k wine-capi x86_64 1.3.4-1.fc13 updates 35 k wine-cms i686 1.3.4-1.fc13 updates 48 k wine-cms x86_64 1.3.4-1.fc13 updates 51 k wine-common noarch 1.3.4-1.fc13 updates 92 k wine-core i686 1.3.4-1.fc13 updates 13 M wine-core x86_64 1.3.4-1.fc13 updates 13 M wine-courier-fonts noarch 1.3.4-1.fc13 updates 43 k wine-desktop noarch 1.3.4-1.fc13 updates 54 k wine-fonts noarch 1.3.4-1.fc13 updates 30 k wine-ldap i686 1.3.4-1.fc13 updates 86 k wine-ldap x86_64 1.3.4-1.fc13 updates 93 k wine-marlett-fonts noarch 1.3.4-1.fc13 updates 42 k wine-pulseaudio i686 1.3.4-1.fc13 updates 51 k wine-pulseaudio x86_64 1.3.4-1.fc13 updates 52 k wine-small-fonts noarch 1.3.4-1.fc13 updates 45 k wine-symbol-fonts noarch 1.3.4-1.fc13 updates 57 k wine-system-fonts noarch 1.3.4-1.fc13 updates 49 k wine-twain i686 1.3.4-1.fc13 updates 57 k wine-twain x86_64 1.3.4-1.fc13 updates 59 k wine-wow x86_64 1.3.4-1.fc13 updates 216 k zlib i686 1.2.3-23.fc12 fedora 69 k Transaction Summary ==================================================================================================================================== Install 73 Package(s) Total size: 47 M Installed size: 230 M Is this ok [y/N]: y Downloading Packages: Running rpm_check_debug Running Transaction Test Transaction Check Error: package mesa-libGL-7.8.1-9.fc13.x86_64 (which is newer than mesa-libGL-7.8.1-8.fc13.i686) is already installed package mesa-dri-drivers-7.8.1-9.fc13.x86_64 (which is newer than mesa-dri-drivers-7.8.1-8.fc13.i686) is already installed package libuuid-2.17.2-9.fc13.x86_64 (which is newer than libuuid-2.17.2-8.fc13.i686) is already installed package mesa-libGLU-7.8.1-9.fc13.x86_64 (which is newer than mesa-libGLU-7.8.1-8.fc13.i686) is already installed package openldap-2.4.21-11.fc13.x86_64 (which is newer than openldap-2.4.21-10.fc13.i686) is already installed Error Summary ------------- Thanks. 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