On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 14:57 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: > Hi, > > I don't see any component in bugzilla for mailing lists, so I'm posting here. > > In order to do that I have to subscribe, which takes more than a few > bounces, and that's the problem. > > Public mailing lists should receive mail from *anybody*; if the poster > is not subscribed, then the message should go through moderation. This > is the truly open way. > > Orthogonal to this is that the mailing lists should not mingle with > "Reply-To"; they should leave the To and Cc fields intact, so that the > MUA can reply to the right addresses. See: > http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html > > This way when a non-subscriber posts something, he doesn't have to add > the "Please CC me as I'm not in the mailing list"; it will happen > automatically. > > Decent mailing lists, such as LKML, and all the lists at > vger.kernel.org[1], do this. > > Moreover you have dozens of mailing lists, do you expect people to > subscribe to them when they want to send a one-time email? > > I'm sending this because my last mail to > packaging@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ended with "Your message to > packaging awaits moderator approval", and no feedback afterwards; it > wasn't posted, it wasn't rejected, nothing. So I guess the moderator > just deleted it. > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/confirm/packaging/cb5b17e42464919ddd4a544f87093b6ff1f452b2 > > I took a considerable amount of time writing that email, it's not nice > for non-subscriber mails to just be dropped like that. Please, make > Fedora mailing list friendly to outsiders. Hi Felipe, Thanks for your note and for your argument in favor of making the lists open to the world. However, there are also strong arguments in favor of the current configuration, which permits posting only by subscribers: (1) Spam is already a significant problem on the lists, and would rise dramatically if anyone was permitted to post. (2) Most posts provoke discussion. If the original poster is not subscribed to the list, they will probably get dropped from the discussion at some point, and not realize the full benefit of the discussion. Also, it's likely that they will at some point respond privately to a post in the discussion, leaving an incomplete record for the subscribers and the list archives. (3) You ask the question, "Moreover you have dozens of mailing lists, do you expect people to subscribe to them when they want to send a one-time email?". I think the complimentary question is this: "Do you expect the participants in a list to invest time and energy in considering your question and formulating a reply if you have indicated (by not subscribing, a process that takes a few seconds) that you are not engaged in the process?" The current list settings discourage one-time e-mails and encourage involvement and participation. -Chris -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
