Maybe I can save a few people with old PPC Macs a little trouble by making this a little easier to find: First, I found this post on fedoraunity (fedorasolved.org) on general sound troubleshooting: http://fedorasolved.org/Members/fenris02/pulseaudio-fixes-and-workarounds At the very first step, cat /proc/asound/cards I find that there are no sound cards (ergo, drivers for any sound cards) loaded. Taking that as the hint, I searched (google) for "no sound card ibook apple fedora" and found http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=190928 over at fedora forums. The recommendation is to add the line modprobe snd-powermac to /etc/rc.local which, at this point, brings sound card recognition for the built-in (let's see, PowerMac Snapper, made for apple by somebody) sound hardware to my iBook G4. Haven't figured out how to get it to record in audacity from the console mic yet, but it does make system beeps and such. rhythmbox can play internet radio. Crashes nicely, too. Hmm. Now it is not playing internet radio, after all. That is, it doesn't seem to find any stations to play, which means that the crash botched the settings somewhere. I don't see any .rhythmbox anywhere in my home directory, guess I'll have to figure out where that stuff goes later. Anyway, that appears to be the first step for sound on the old PPC Macs. (I'm sure I'd seen it before, just never when I had time to think about it, much less boot Fedora on the box and edit the file.) Pardon the noise, I'll let you get back to your regularly scheduled programs. joel rees -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines