Using the new preupgrade from F12, I'm getting very mixed results. On one PC, it hit the space problem, told me to quit unless I had a wired Net connection (I did), and let me continue. Then it coped, and in very little time F13 was up and running, with all my old data still present. I'm on that machine now, and some things are inordinately slow, but do still work, at least for the most part. Then I did the same on a Thinkpad T42, and again saw immediate triumph. So I tried it on another (newer) PC, and another Thinkpad (a T30) -- and have yet to get either of them usable. I'll leave the T30 for a different post, if need be; this post is for the second PC. It has one problem all the time, and one most of the time; the former is the worse. I can always log in, and it always gives me my normal bottom panel. (My left panel sometimes appears, sometimes not; but I can usually make that appear by starting to create a new one.) The PC sees both the keyboard and the mouse -- when they are behind a USB KVM switch, as well as when they are connected directly to it. The launchers on the panels respond normally to mouse-over and to clicking -- except for the workspace switcher. The workspace switcher behaves normally when moused over and when right-clicked. But it does nothing when left-clicked. (Nor do Alt plus arrow key do anything.) I keep trying blanket gpk updates; and also telling yum to update it, and telling yum to remove it (intending of course to put it back immediately). No joy there, either. -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is. -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines