I see all the reports of crash on shutdown have been marked as duplicates of 572868, but the latest kernel didn't help (I misunderstood "there's a patch" to mean "which fixes the problem") so if you test 64 bit fc13 you may want to manually unmount large filesystems before the shutdown->crash cycle. It feels like Toyota, once you get it going the only way to stop is to crash. When running, the fc13 pre-beta is actually quite stable for me. One VM network issue, not bad for bleeding edge. -- Bill Davidsen <davidsen@xxxxxxx> "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines