Well I eventually got the combination to work reliably, but not without a fair number of hurdles to jump. This was a configuration puzzle involving the wireless router, knetworkmanager, and what settings to use.So here are the key configuration points I found to work for my setup: Use of mode 11g Use of a fixed frequency channel Use WPA security using AES encryption Use of auto data rate Use of ESSID broadcasting Now for the quirks of knetworkmanager for setting up wireless: Trying to set the BSSID always broke the config The SSID always had to be selected via a scan for it to work If the network is stopped it is effectively disabled Now I like to use KDE as you've probably already guessed and wanted to use networkmanager to simplify network management. This is now not as scary as it may seem and both my laptop and my PC are configured this way. As a result of this setup I've made sure that after logging in, no network connection is made, but is easily done using the knetworkmanager applet, whether it be wired or wireless. Another bonus of using knetworkmanager was the ease with which I could configure either my PC/Laptop network when needing to configure new networked hardware, and then return back as required. This fact alone makes trying changes in network configuration a whole lot easier than they would have been. So may I recommend you look at using networkmanager, using the Gnome or KDE applet to do so, or the commandline interface if you're no fan of using a GUI. JB -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines