I've been using Redhat/Fedora since RH8. It seems that every time we get a new version sound gets broken and I have to go through a whole complicated and convoluted troubleshooting sequence to get it running again. Wireless networking used to be like that and now it seems to work release after release. When will sound get the same attention to detail that Wireless got ? Sound worked just fine in F8 and F10, after some fiddling, of course. Along comes F11 and I've got nothing, in spite of spending literally days mucking and fiddling around. The pundits say that the problem is my complicated, unsupported sound card (Intel HDA), but it worked just fine in F8 and F10 and it hasn't changed since. If it ran fine in F8 and F10, why should it suddenly be OK to NOT run in F11 ? The funny part of all this is the pulse audio component. Pulse audio seems to be bug ridden. There doesn't seem to be any real documentation for troubleshooting it. And yet one gets chastised if one says they want to remove it and run without it. Oh, yeah... I forgot... Fedora is bleeding edge. The funny thing is that we've been bleeding on the sound card issues since RH8 and there doesn't seem to be any end in sight. And I would hardly call sound systems leading edge in this day and age. When (and how) will this madness end ? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines