Hello. My name is wonjoon. My e-mail address is ditrite@xxxxxxxxxxxx This e-mail is my business mail. So I want unsubscribe. Think you. -----Original Message----- From: fedora-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:fedora-list- bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of fedora-list-request@xxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 5:38 AM To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: fedora-list Digest, Vol 65, Issue 162 Send fedora-list mailing list submissions to fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fedora-list-request@xxxxxxxxxx You can reach the person managing the list at fedora-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxx When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of fedora-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: install F11 ON a USB-HDD, ... TERRIBLE (Daniel Kirsten) 2. Help with update from F10 to F11 (Wade Hampton) 3. Re: install F11 ON a USB-HDD, ... TERRIBLE (Mikkel L. Ellertson) 4. Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix (Christoph Wickert) 5. Re: Help with update from F10 to F11 (Kam Leo) 6. Re: Package kit notification of uprade available (Claude Jones) 7. update viewer: terrible user interface (imo) (Mike Wright) 8. Re: Package kit notification of uprade available (Rahul Sundaram) 9. Re: update viewer: terrible user interface (imo) (Rahul Sundaram) 10. Re: install F11 ON a USB-HDD, ... TERRIBLE (Daniel Kirsten) 11. Re: Ranter or evangelist? (gilpel@xxxxxxxxxx) 12. GDM login using winbind (Jamie Wilch) 13. 60% of Fedora packages obsolete (Arthur Pemberton) 14. Re: 60% of Fedora packages obsolete (Rahul Sundaram) 15. Re: 60% of Fedora packages obsolete (Arthur Pemberton) 16. Re: 60% of Fedora packages obsolete (Todd Zullinger) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:16:50 +0200 From: "Daniel Kirsten" <Daniel.Kirsten@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: install F11 ON a USB-HDD, ... TERRIBLE To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <20090720181650.223060@xxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Dumb question - are you booting with the USB drive unplugged when > you are working with the built-in drive? If not, boot without it > plugged in so we can simplify the troubleshooting. I have not run > into that error before. > > Mikkel I tried both, it yields the same result. I just see a blinking cursor in text mode. I repartioned and formatted the USB-drive. At the moment, I transfer all personal data from the built-in drive to the USB-drive. Tomorrow, I will try to reinstall F10 and restore my personal data..... -- Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla Firefox 3 - sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/atbrowser ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:41:25 -0400 From: Wade Hampton <wadehamptoniv@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Help with update from F10 to F11 To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <7a57ad2a0907201141t76d8e997w8d6b3da9a8dfacbe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am having a lot of problems with a system after upgrading it from F10 to F11. I need help to get this formerly-stable system back. Basically X is messed up and I can't do yum updates. This is my second post on this issue. Any help would be most appreciated. Background: On Saturday, I updated my son's Fedora 10 x86_64 system to Fedora 11 using preupgrade. All seemed to go well until it tried to start X on the first boot. Upon starting X, I saw a white dash in the upper left and X never properly started. I rebooted into single user mode, set run level to 3 and booted. Now if I start X using startx, I lose my keyboard and mouse. The task bar shows a lot of applications starting. As I have no keyboard nor mouse, all I can do is hit the power button and shutdown. I have not tried ssh'ing to the box. Note that after pressing the power button, several errors were displayed including Nautilus having issues with Hal. I tried using yum to update the box hoping this might fix something, especially with the nvidia driver. However, YUM is broken. It is failing with an error about file /var/cache/yum/updates/metalink.xml missing. System is a Gateway AMD 9500 quad core Keyboard is PS/2. Mouse is USB. Display is Nvidia 8600 GT PCI card. Any help would be most appreciated as he really wants his computer fixed. Thanks, -- Wade Hampton ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:45:15 -0500 From: "Mikkel L. Ellertson" <mikkel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: install F11 ON a USB-HDD, ... TERRIBLE To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <4A64BB3B.8070301@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Daniel Kirsten wrote: >> Dumb question - are you booting with the USB drive unplugged when >> you are working with the built-in drive? If not, boot without it >> plugged in so we can simplify the troubleshooting. I have not run >> into that error before. >> >> Mikkel > > > I tried both, it yields the same result. I just see a blinking > cursor in text mode. > > I repartioned and formatted the USB-drive. At the moment, I transfer > all personal data from the built-in drive to the USB-drive. > Tomorrow, I will try to reinstall F10 and restore my personal data..... > Do an upgrade, not an install. (Upgrade to the same version.) The installer will fix Grub as part of the install. Just to make sure you are doing what I think you are doing, let me give a quick outline. Boot off the install for CD for the version of Linux on the internal hard drive. Pick Rescue an installed system. Pick language and keyboard. Let it mount the file systems. Networking is not needed. chroot /mnt/sysimage grub-install /dev/sda exit exit Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora- list/attachments/20090720/80b8fac1/signature.bin ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:52:24 +0200 From: Christoph Wickert <christoph.wickert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <1248115944.2794.28.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Am Donnerstag, den 16.07.2009, 04:03 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > On 07/16/2009 03:52 AM, Globe Trotter wrote: > > On a different note, is gnomebaker preferred over Xfburn? The latter > seems smaller, certainly. But Xfburn drags in a whole lot of Xfce dependencies: Thunar, xfce4-panel, xfconf, libxfcegui4 and libxfce4util. > Personally, I haven't had much experience with either of them. So can't > really say. Xfburn used to crash and burn in the early releases but I > haven't tried it recently. Xfburn is pretty stable since 0.4, there is only one issue remaining: Drag & Drop is not working with nautilus, works fine with Thunar or PCManFM. Need to look at this further because it was fixed in Xfce's SVN recently. > Rahul Regards, Christoph ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:57:51 -0700 From: Kam Leo <kam.leo@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Help with update from F10 to F11 To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <f84880b00907201157r3e44bbceod44c7e8ac98b7e80@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Wade Hampton <wadehamptoniv@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > I am having a lot of problems with a system after > upgrading it from F10 to F11. I need help to get this > formerly-stable system back. Basically X is messed > up and I can't do yum updates. This is my second > post on this issue. Any help would be most appreciated. > > Background: > > On Saturday, I updated my son's Fedora 10 x86_64 system > to Fedora 11 using preupgrade. All seemed to go well until it > tried to start X on the first boot. Upon starting X, I saw a > white dash in the upper left and X never properly started. > > I rebooted into single user mode, set run level to 3 and booted. > Now if I start X using startx, I lose my keyboard and mouse. The > task bar shows a lot of applications starting. As I have no keyboard > nor mouse, all I can do is hit the power button and shutdown. > I have not tried ssh'ing to the box. > > Note that after pressing the power button, several errors > were displayed including Nautilus having issues with Hal. > > I tried using yum to update the box hoping this might fix > something, especially with the nvidia driver. However, YUM > is broken. It is failing with an error about file > /var/cache/yum/updates/metalink.xml missing. > > System is a Gateway AMD 9500 quad core > Keyboard is PS/2. Mouse is USB. > Display is Nvidia 8600 GT PCI card. > > Any help would be most appreciated as he really > wants his computer fixed. > > Thanks, > -- > Wade Hampton Did you try "yum clean all"? I have not had much success using preupgrade. Best bet is to download either the net-install CD or the DVD and upgrade from either one. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:58:57 -0400 From: Claude Jones <cjoneslists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Package kit notification of uprade available To: sundaram@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <200907201459.07259.cjoneslists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Mon July 20 2009 11:18:52 am Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Maybe it's just me, but I cannot figure out how to file a > > bug anymore. > > http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/yum Rahul: I don't understand your reply. That seems to be a link to some administrator's section of the fedora project site where a list of yum bugs is displayed, none of which seem to pertain to the issue I'm raising, nor does there seem to be any path from that page to some meaningful help on filing a bugzilla report -- Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:04:59 -0700 From: Mike Wright <mike.wright@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: update viewer: terrible user interface (imo) To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <4A64BFDB.70204@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Hi all, I posted about this many fedoras ago but apparently my plaint fell on deaf ears. When I use the Update Viewer I am presented with several categories needing updating. There is an option to review all or update all. There is no option, for example, to update only security fixes. This is what I think is an example of a hideous user experience: I click on the icon that indicates updates are available and select "Show Updates". Gee, there are only 300. So I select "Review" and am now presented with 300 packages, each with a separate checkbox PREVIOUSLY SELECTED. There is not even an option for "select all" or "deselect all". You get them all, period. There is no way to restrict the update process to only certain categories. Instead I have the delightful prospect of scrolling and clicking, scrolling and clicking, scrolling and clicking until hell freezes over or my carpal tunnel syndrome becomes so inflamed that I'm not even able to touch a keyboard or mouse for days. So, because of this incredibly retarded interface (from a usability point of view) we just have to bite the bullet and update all. Now let's see what happens. Something goes wrong. Perhaps my system becomes unstable or networking goes on vacation or my sound disappears. Wow! I only have 300 packages and all their dependencies to sort through. Guess what? It ain't gonna happen. You'll definitely get no feedback from me other than a rant that this process is so horribly borked as to preclude me from ever using this (it's not a bug it's a) feature. So here's a question to the developers of the Updater. Have any one of you ever gone through the update list and individually unchecked each of them? I recommend it highly, *especially* when there are several hundred of them pending. You may actually get a feeling for what you have inflicted on the rest of us. Here's an analogy: You go to the supermarket and take a shopping cart. Surprise! Surprise! There is already one of everything in the store in the cart all ready for you to go through checkout and buy it all OR you can spend a leisurely day going through the aisles and returning everything you don't want to its appropriate place on the shelf. I wonder when is the next time you'd go back to that store? Yeah, me neither. If Amazon's user interface worked that way they'd still be waiting for their first stooge ;D And if I ever delivered an app' like that I'd be out of work :( As was once observed, "A point in every direction is the same as no point at all". Probably not worth $0.02 but I felt compelled to share my user experience and my thoughts about it. Thanks for your time, Mike Wright ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:37:11 +0530 From: Rahul Sundaram <sundaram@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Package kit notification of uprade available To: Claude Jones <cjoneslists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <4A64C05F.1010509@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 07/21/2009 12:28 AM, Claude Jones wrote: > On Mon July 20 2009 11:18:52 am Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> Maybe it's just me, but I cannot figure out how to file a >>> bug anymore. >> >> http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/yum > > Rahul: I don't understand your reply. That seems to be a link to > some administrator's section of the fedora project site where a > list of yum bugs is displayed, none of which seem to pertain to > the issue I'm raising, nor does there seem to be any path from > that page to some meaningful help on filing a bugzilla report "Report a new bug against this package" is the first link. Rahul ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:39:27 +0530 From: Rahul Sundaram <sundaram@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: update viewer: terrible user interface (imo) To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <4A64C0E7.9020800@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 07/21/2009 12:34 AM, Mike Wright wrote: > Hi all, > > I posted about this many fedoras ago but apparently my plaint fell on > deaf ears. It is likely unless you report a bug or request a enhancement via bugzilla that the responsible developers will not be even seeing your mail. > > When I use the Update Viewer I am presented with several categories > needing updating. There is an option to review all or update all. > > There is no option, for example, to update only security fixes. Right click on the updates list and you will find two choices. Unselecting all packages or installing only security updates. You can set the preferences to only install security updates automatically as well (gpk-preferences). Rahul ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:15:05 +0200 From: "Daniel Kirsten" <Daniel.Kirsten@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: install F11 ON a USB-HDD, ... TERRIBLE To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <20090720191505.223050@xxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:45:15 -0500 > Von: "Mikkel L. Ellertson" <mikkel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > An: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. " <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Betreff: Re: install F11 ON a USB-HDD, ... TERRIBLE > Daniel Kirsten wrote: > >> Dumb question - are you booting with the USB drive unplugged when > >> you are working with the built-in drive? If not, boot without it > >> plugged in so we can simplify the troubleshooting. I have not run > >> into that error before. > >> > >> Mikkel > > > > > > I tried both, it yields the same result. I just see a blinking > > cursor in text mode. > > > > I repartioned and formatted the USB-drive. At the moment, I transfer > > all personal data from the built-in drive to the USB-drive. > > Tomorrow, I will try to reinstall F10 and restore my personal data..... > > > Do an upgrade, not an install. (Upgrade to the same version.) The > installer will fix Grub as part of the install. yes, I did this before I read your mail. Now, I can boot again. I just have to compile my own kernel and rework some stuff. (When I installed F10, I downgraded libdrm and some packages to get KDE running. Of course, these packages are upgraded now. I will fix this tomorrow.) Best regards, Daniel > Just to make sure you are doing what I think you are doing, let me > give a quick outline. > > Boot off the install for CD for the version of Linux on the internal > hard drive. > Pick Rescue an installed system. > Pick language and keyboard. > Let it mount the file systems. > Networking is not needed. > chroot /mnt/sysimage > grub-install /dev/sda > exit > exit I tried, but it did not work. -- Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla Firefox 3 - sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/chbrowser ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:23:20 +0500 (GMT-5) From: gilpel@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Ranter or evangelist? To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <50522.216.239.79.247.1248121400.squirrel@xxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 09:31 +0500, gilpel@xxxxxxxxxx wrote: > It's really weird. I already said that you have a gift for explaining, which means you're certainly not completely dumb. How come you can't understand the importance of market share for Linux? a. This is Linux, other than for the few for-sale distributions "market share" is inappropriate terminology. Indeed. "World domination fast" was a really bad joke: http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=8&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=124 I'm sure people who are playing the game of reverse engineering the codecs and making sure that everything works despite all Microsoft attempts (1) will keep on doing so in another 18 years from now, even with only 0.0000...1% of people on the net using Linux. (1) It's the first time ever that I can read MWV at Radio-Canada without endless hassles. Same goes for DeCss. There's absolutely no need to have people understand what using "their Windows" really means. Windows is free, ins,T it: you get it when you buy a computer! One wonders where Microsoft's billion$ come from. And, of course, all state television will use open source formats. Anyways, you couldn't care less since you watch video in binary format, right? Thanks for sharing your deep thoughts! I've had this discussion with happy losers all too often. Enough for now. ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:59:28 -0600 From: Jamie Wilch <jamie@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: GDM login using winbind To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <4A64CCA0.8030000@xxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hello, I am using winbind for user authentication against a Samba server. The setup has worked fine from Fedora 9 & 10. Just upgraded to 11 today and now when a user logs in through GDM, it complains of the nt password has expired and has the user change the password. The password does successfully change on the server, but the client computer still cannot authorize user. Only happens with graphical GDM login, ssh works fine. I'm not sure where to begin looking. Thanks Jamie ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:06:24 -0500 From: Arthur Pemberton <pemboa@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: 60% of Fedora packages obsolete To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <16de708d0907201306h199a1d30n73faa4160e215aac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Article: http://oswatershed.org/ That's much higher than I would have guessed. I suppose Fedora is no longer as fast paced as it used to be. Arch seems to be the innovating distro now. -- Fedora 10 (www.pembo13.com) ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:43:24 +0530 From: Rahul Sundaram <sundaram@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: 60% of Fedora packages obsolete To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <4A64CFE4.3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 07/21/2009 01:36 AM, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > Article: http://oswatershed.org/ > > That's much higher than I would have guessed. I suppose Fedora is no > longer as fast paced as it used to be. Arch seems to be the innovating > distro now. Not shipping the very latest in the "stable" release of Fedora is by no means equivalent to obsolete. Arch is definitely more bleeding edge being a rolling distribution however. Rahul ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:27:54 -0500 From: Arthur Pemberton <pemboa@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: 60% of Fedora packages obsolete To: sundaram@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <16de708d0907201327j5c791269vaf8f8a25c0bec21c@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Rahul Sundaram<sundaram@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 07/21/2009 01:36 AM, Arthur Pemberton wrote: >> Article: http://oswatershed.org/ >> >> That's much higher than I would have guessed. I suppose Fedora is no >> longer as fast paced as it used to be. Arch seems to be the innovating >> distro now. > > Not shipping the very latest in the "stable" release of Fedora is by no > means equivalent to obsolete. Arch is definitely more bleeding edge > being a rolling distribution however. > > Rahul I've always found that some Fedora policies are far from as bleeding edge as observers would believe. However, this seems to place Fedora in a weird position -- between what most now consider to be the bleeding edge distro, Arch,. and what many consider to be the stable distro, Ubuntu. What niche does fedora intend to fullfill? -- Fedora 10 (www.pembo13.com) ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:37:01 -0400 From: Todd Zullinger <tmz@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: 60% of Fedora packages obsolete To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <20090720203701.GD4112@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Arthur Pemberton wrote: > However, this seems to place Fedora in a weird position -- between > what most now consider to be the bleeding edge distro, Arch,. and > what many consider to be the stable distro, Ubuntu. What niche does > fedora intend to fullfill? I don't know how relevant any of the data on oswatershed even is, but I believe the Fedora and Red Hat continues to drive a lot of upstream development. That is much more important than who chucks the latest build over the wall to users. When the folks at Archlinux update to the latest release of some project the day it comes out, they can often thank some Fedora contributors for making the upstream release possible. :) -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Succumb to natural tendencies. Be hateful and boring. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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