David, thanks for your suggestions re the xorg wiki I had already tried Xorg -configure to generate an xorg.conf, but that by itself not enough to boot to X I have since found that I _can_ boot to X _if_ I use as kernel parameters xdriver=vesa vga=792 I had been using these for a couple of days without success, so it is some combination of steps that finally succeeded. If i remove those parameters, again no booting to X specifically, the first stanza in grub.conf does not boot to X; the second stanza does: # all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg. # root (hd1,7) # kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/sda1 # initrd /initrd-version.img #boot=/dev/sdb8 default=0 timeout=10 splashimage=(hd1,7)/grub/splash.xpm.gz ***hiddenmenu title Fedora (2.6.27.5-117.fc10.i686)root (hd1,7) scsi_mod.scan=sync root (hd1,7) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.i686 ro root=UUID=f3e0f6cf-c687-4d8e-b 08b-3a27f2f79766 rhgb quiet scsi_mod.scan=sync initrd /initrd-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.i686.img title Fedora (2.6.27.5-117.fc10.i686)root (hd1,7)scsi_mod.scan=sync vesa vga=792 root (hd1,7) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.i686 ro root=UUID=f3e0f6cf-c687-4d8e-b 08b-3a27f2f79766 rhgb quiet scsi_mod.scan=sync xdriver=vesa vga=792 initrd /initrd-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.i686.img [I am now using a separate /boot partition sdb8, with f10 / still on sda1 but I dont think that is the issue] more than a month ago when I was still trying to use livecd (not install) i found then that i needed those parameters for the livecd to boot to X but i had forgotten all about it, until I tried a few days ago on the f10dvd install, but then it had no effect. Somehow using those kernel parameters coupled with my various attempts "init 5" to get an apparently error free Xorg.0.log and perhaps the final startx -- :1 did the magic trick. I cant reconstruct exact set of steps I took to get here: About 1 week ago, may24? I did Xorg -config to generate xorg.conf.new and copied it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and redid system-ccnfig-display -v then "init 5" but those steps by itself still not booting to X I redid the install on may 26, again copied the xorg.conf and again system-ccnfig-display -v; init 5 still no X tried startx -- :1 but it gave DRM errors in Xorg.1.log: [root@localhost log]# ls -l X* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 40137 2009-05-28 07:17 Xorg.0.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 40677 2009-05-28 07:16 Xorg.0.log.old -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 38695 2009-05-27 03:55 Xorg.1.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 835 2009-05-26 12:26 Xorg.setup.log [root@localhost log]# grep EE Xorg.1.log (EE) MGA(0): [drm] Could not boot-strap DMA (-16) (EE) MGA(0): failed to destroy server context [root@localhost log]# same msg in Xorg.setup.log evidently those EE not preventing X or those EE no longer in effect. Summary: for my system with the f10dvd i need xdriver=vesa vga=792 Can anyone tell me why these necessary and/or where documented? Jack -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines