On Saturday 09 May 2009, Craig White wrote: [...] >If it puts the files in the same places (and for the life of me, I don't >understand why would you have tarball installations install anywhere >other than /usr/local) I usually do use /usr/local for that, the exceptions being, for instance, when I built the newer kaffeine, I wanted to replace the broken version 8.3 with 8.4. I couldn't remove 8.3 because of dependencies that took half of kde with it. That is not my choice, nor is it my fault that such a choice is forced on me by the slowness of the packagers. 8.4 has been out for 4 or 5 months, but I don't see an updated package in the repos now do I? >and doesn't trash your configuration files and >creates users/groups, properly assigns privileges and runs whatever >scripts post-install you need, it will work. The problem is never rpm >packaging itself but the arguments that build the packages, the method >of building the packages (shouldn't be done as root), and the scripts >which are executed pre/post installation. > >Blaming rpm is ridiculous. Not wanting to take the time to learn how to >successfully package something is understandable. It does take an >investment in time & energy. Documentation is lacking. I hereby nominate that statement as the statement of the year, and it just keeps getting worse. >Whether you >succeed or not in successfully building amanda rpm's will be determined >by your desire to get it done and nothing else. We have had this >discussion before. I am amused that you won't simply admit that you >aren't willing to invest your time learning how to build rpms and >instead cast about looking for excuses why it won't work...the FC2 >"foibles" is a new one. That is what I had installed the last time I tried to make an rpm. Frankly Craig, I can make an installable rpm with checkinstall a heck of a lot easier than I can any other way. But I haven't figured how to do that and make the versions stick so rpm knows there is indeed a newer package installed than what is in the repo's, so I either have to make excludes for yum or make the installed stuff all chattr +i. Neither is a long term solution. If I install the tarball, its there, it works and because rpm has no knowledge of it, it doesn't constantly nag me to install the repo's 3 or more versions older packages. >My objection in this thread was your recommendation to the OP that he >install from source tarballs when amanda is available via pre-built rpm >packages in fedora already as if it is a reasonable suggestion that >others follow your footsteps. It was not a reasonable suggestion. I think it is, although in the last year, the number of incidents of people coming to the amanda-users list for help with rpms has dropped noticeably. I have NDI if its because the rpms are now working "out of the box" or if its because there seems to be a wider selection of ways to do it that appeal to the user, newbie or old hand, meaning amanda is getting onto fewer systems. I personally like the set it up once and forget it until you need to recover something that amanda offers. Heck, even the $3500 a seat Arkeia takes far more fiddling than amanda, every time you want to run it. Hell of a way to run a train. IMNSHO, the eye candy doesn't cut it, good backups do. My last post in this thread. However, if the OP installs the amanda rpms and it works the way it is supposed to, I would very much like to hear about that. Most folks just go away once the question has been answered/argued about without ever letting us know of the successes or failures of our chosen methods. That leaves both of us in the dark calling each other less than experts. And that isn't pretty to the bystanders. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Plus ,ca change, plus c'est la m^eme chose. [The more things change, the more they remain the same.] -- Alphonse Karr, "Les Gu^epes" -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
