Hello Paul, Thanks for your suggestions. My reply is inline below ... > > There are many ways to do this in Fedora 8, maybe you can tell me if > they still work on F10. > > The easiest route might be to fix your session. > > In Gnome->Preferences->Personal->Sessions, you can take these steps. > 1. stop metacity. change its status from restart to normal, then > remove it from the session. (if you don't change its status, it just > restarts). :-) That's actually the first thing I went looking for, because, I had used that when I did the same thing on F8. Unfortunately tho, it seem like they have removed the window manager option from the Sessions configuration dialog ...also, the restart/normal ..etc options are no longer available. Now, there is just a ^user-friendly^ "Startup Programs" list. > > 2. insert wmaker as a program in the startup list and then save the > settings. People have claimed that if you have wmaker running and you > just hit the "save session" thing, then it will make it right. I've > not experienced that myself. I tried this. Or rather added wmaker to the startup programs list i mentioned above (after changed the gconf key /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager ) and it does the right thing. So, thanks for that suggestion ! It works (kinda ...there are a few ugly side-effects that i am trying to figure out now ...for example, how do I get rid of the panel[1] and what is the proper way to logout[2])/ > As an alternative, you can go "old school." Look in your HOME > directory for a file .Xclients. I think it should be there, it will > have only something like gnome-session. Before that gnome line, you > cna insert this > > export WINDOW_MANAGER=wmaker Haven't tried this out yet. Will do it soon. Will report back if after I do. > Several years ago, I wrote a script to do the changeover for users. It > replaces the function of wmaker.inst. It is called gnome.wmaker.inst > and it uses gconftool to make the session changes for you. Thanks for the script ! I'm still reading through it ...it seems to be doing a lot of things, so I'll probably end up stripping bit of it. Anyways, thanks for your help. regards - steve [1] Like I mentioned in my original post, I am using docker for my applets (nm-applet, gonme-power-manager ...etc). However, since wmaker now starts as an application after the session has loaded, the applets first get created on the panel and then 'jump' to the docker application. I need to figure out how to avoid this and eventually remove the panel. [2] exit WindowMaker and logout are 2 different things. If I need to preserve my wmaker session and logout cleanly, I need to exit wmaker and then logout from gnome. -- Linux Centric Marketplace: http://www.tuxcompatible.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines