On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 16:18 -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jul 18, 2008, Thomas Cameron <thomas.cameron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > The core of the distribution is the kernel, called Linux. > > What about GNU *core*utils? :-P :-D > > And then, again, what if you remove Linux, install kFreeBSD or > OpenSolaris in its stead, rebuild glibc to export the same ABI but use > the system calls of the new kernel, and reboot? How come that would > still be Linux? > > Do you mean core as in the core of an apple, as in, that part pretty > much nobody is interested in, but without which apples would have a > harder time reproducing? :-) > > BTW, would you call an apple a seed, just because it has seeds in its > core? Alexandre, I've watched you tilting at this windmill for months. It's just silly. Someone else called the demand for the FSF folks to call it GNU/Linux "childish." I didn't really think so until I skimmed through the rest of the thread. Now I start to understand why that term was used. I've never denigrated or minimized GNU's participation in the success of the Linux operating system, or any other operating systems. No doubt, the GNU bits are of critical import. But that's not why I commented on this thread. My point is that GNU is only a *part* of that success. There are other projects which have been as or more important in that success. Look at Apache and Sendmail and BIND. By your logic, it could very well be argued that it should be called Sendmail/Linux or Apache/Linux or BIND/Linux, as using Linux servers for mail and web DNS services was the bread and butter for Linux for a lot of years. Those are the services which got Linux in the back door in the enterprise. I'm the first one to admit that without the GNU c compiler and c libraries, those would not have been as easily done, but *all* of them came together for the success of what the vast majority of the community and the industry calls "Linux." Look at it from the outside, Alexandre. There are many who feel that the FSF's demand for everyone to pay homage by calling it GNU/Linux is just an attempt to steal the "glory" of Linus's success. Seriously - we all get it. GNU kicks ass, no doubt of that at all. I am eternally grateful for the GPL, warts and all. I am in awe of what the FSF has done, and I am max aware that GNU was an essential part of the success of F/OSS including Linux. I admire your passion, I'm very passionate about Linux and I evangelize like crazy in my little corner of the world. But this stooping to demanding that everyone change their vernacular *is* childish. It hurts the FSF *much* more than it helps. It reinforces the impression that FSF folks are fanatics, which does not help your cause at all. Let it go, man. Just relax, enjoy the incredible success you've had, focus all the energy you are wasting in this silly argument on making the compiler better. Nothing will gain the FSF more respect and acceptance than continued success. Please continue to evangelize Free Software, I am totally on board with helping you out. But please quit making this ridiculous argument. Cheers, Thomas -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
