I need some tips from the school of hard knocks, and can share back some tips as well. I did the F8-F9 upgrade from DVD on an X86_64 system. It ran, apparently, without trouble. And when the system rebooted, it brought me to the black screen of death known as grub. I could type in commands, that was the good sign. (in case you wonder, type "help" to see if it lists out stuff like root, reboot, boot, and so forth). From comments here, this problem is somewhat common on upgrades where systems have 2 hard disks, a boot partition that is separate from the root partition, and NO LVM. I typed manually the commands needed to boot and eventually brought the system up. I checked the /etc/grub.conf and the UUID of the root drive was set correctly, but noticed that /et/boot/devices.map only included one of the hard disks. I edited the devices.map and added the second hard disk, and re-ran "grub-install /dev/sda". After that the system will boot. (patting myself on the back for making it that far). ( In case you are stuck at the grub prompt, here's what to do. On my system where the /boot partition is in the first partition on the first disk-- /dev/sda1 and the / partition is on /dev/sda2, I type root (hd0,0) kernel vmlinuz... root=/dev/sda2 initrd initrd... boot The ... part will fill itself in if you hit tab a few times. If it does not fill it in, it means you guessed wrong when you specified root in the first command, because root tells it where to look for your boot files. Note "root" is used in 2 different senses here. The first root refers to the boot partition's location. If you don't know which partition has your /boot, well, you are in some trouble, but it will usually be the first partition that the linux installer creates. The second line uses the word "root" in the sense of the root file system of your installation, the place where "/" is installed. Also if your boot is not in a separate partition, then you specify root in the first command as the same place where / is installed, but the vmlinuz and initrd files will be under the /boot directory, so the second and third lines would be kernel /boot/vmlinuz... root=/dev/sda2 initrd /boot/initrd... ) Next I tried to run "yum update" and it finds about 1GIG of packages, but after a long time that fails because of conflicts between files in the packages gnome-settings and in compat-db for f8 and f9. So I manually remove those older versions, and run yum again, make sure the new ones get installed. So far, so good. Fedora is cutting edge, this proves it! Next problem: can you help me figure out what stuff I should delete, and what cool stuff I don't have installed? I noticed in this list that xfs is deprecated and no longer installed on new Fedora systems, but on my system, it is still running. It is kinda exciting, really, to consider just yanking the xfs package out rpm -e xorg-x11-xfs-1.0.5-2.fc9.x86_64 and testing to see if X11 will still start. Wow! That's exciting! What other deprecated things am I still likely to be running? What good things are not installed because the upgrader did not notice I needed them? I've perused the release notes, which are here: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9/en_US/. I guess the xfs news is so old it is not even mentioned there. -- Paul E. Johnson Professor, Political Science 1541 Lilac Lane, Room 504 University of Kansas -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list