Hello! My first post for many years on this list but I have 'a problem' now and I am sure there might be other people which are affected by it. When I installed Fedora 8 on my computer it worked 'mostly' like it is supposed to work and everything was fine. But after laying updates with pup my problems started. Everytime I started my computer with the new kernel it made make system totally hang in the end of the booting process. Just before the GDM login screen. My guess was that some service is causing kernel-panic on my system. What I did in the situation was that I took a look into booting process and noticed that NetworkManager is the cause. So I went with interactive boot and didn't start the NetworkManager and I actually disabled it from system-config-services. I am now starting my network manually using system-config-network and I have an internet access. But that is not the way it's supposed to work and I have pretty much tried to find a 'better way' with Google but there ain't much to say about results. My PC is based on Asus V8A Deluxe motherboard and it comes with built-in RaLink WiFi (RT2500 driver) and Marvell (skge driver) based built-in network card. And please note that NetworkManager did work before laying updates. Problem is somewhere between Linux-kernel and NetworkManager. I'd start with NetworkManager since kernel side of things work when NetworkManager is not running. Fix it please. -_____- Lastest Fedora 8 linux-kernel upgrade broke DigiTv on Fedora. (I have Nebula's PCI DigitalTelevision card. It's using bt8xx drivers which modprobe fails to find during boot now.) Oh, What's wrong with the Udev. Sometimes initing Udev takes freaking forever, I hate to wait for it like 5 minutes or _more_ sometimes. Sometimes it starts up with the speed of thunder just under 5 seconds. In other distriputions such as Debian initing Udev takes 1 second, and same is with Gentoo and OpenSuse, among others... :-? So far Fedora 8 has been nice distro and all. And I'm waiting Fedora 9 to improve things I didn't like. Like PulseAudio and NetworkManager. Those are too much Ubuntu for me. And I don't like Ubuntu. Fedora 8 in generally seems to be or is at least pretending to be that 'better ubuntu than ubuntu itself'. ;) By the way I'd love to see lots of fixes on PulseAudio side of things. PA is nice invention althought it's not really a sollution for every audio problem linux has. But back to the issues, like proper testing of updates. Before making them go wild heavy testing might be good idea generally. This is the thing where Fedora should improve _a lot_. Ubuntu guys at Canonical had similar problems but they came over those with update importance system they developed (stole from Debian community. :D ). More critical updates get better tested and updates to critical things like kernel won't be released unless certain amount of heavy testing has been committed on it. I would really hate to wake up the next day to see that kernel upgrade I last night installed has yet broken new things in my system. -______- Have a nice day! -- Antti Aspinen <antti.aspinen@xxxxxxxx> -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
