Greetings; If you all have been doing as I do, blowing away the nearly empty plugins dir of the new install, and softlinking it to a ../plugins dir so you don't lose your plugins when upgrading, AND your systems video isn't capable of doing overlays which disables such as tvtime, then you will need to remove anything related to xine from your plugins dir, else the new FF3b5 turns into a crash-o-matic. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. -- Wm. Shakespeare, "Henry VI", Part IV