Just a passing comment - hopefully it will start a discussion and I'll learn something. I have a pair of seriously hacked P4 systems (3 IDE controllers including the motherboard, all IDE controllers fully populated, 2 NICs, 3.6+ TB, 2 GB of ram). I can install Fedora 7 on them and it works pretty well 'out of the box'. Try to go to any higher version and the installer dies, or data is corrupted as it's written, or any number of other bad things. What did they change that makes such a huge difference? I know the hardware is weird and I'd understand if Fedora never worked, but it worked great - up to F8. Mike- -- If you're not confused, you're not trying hard enough. -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments,