On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 10:06 -0500, James Kosin wrote: > (2) Karl is probably old enough to be many peoples grandfather on > this list. (I'm making a big assumption on this; since Karl has > already revealed his age) So show a bit of respect. This isn't a "Karl issue". You get respected for acting in a way that generates respect. It is not something gifted upon you simply due to age. Acting in a converse manner, which he did, earned himself his disrespect. Courtesy is another matter. You try to be courteous to people, as part of your own good conduct, right from the start. But we're not obligated to continue to do so towards someone who's being antagonistic. Though, being courteous towards someone whilst your berating them for being a prick, can be advantageous ... and amusing for the audience. Over the years I've encountered many people who've "demanded" respect, none of which deserved it, so they didn't get it. Those who deserved respect, got it because their conduct impressed the people around them. -- Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists.