2008/1/22 max bianco <maximilianbianco@xxxxxxxxx>: > > > > > On Jan 22, 2008 11:30 AM, Les <hlhowell@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 20:41 -0600, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > > > Les wrote: > > > > Also if Karl doesn't get it, there will be other much more timid folk > > > > who also don't get it. When the answer that Karl understands is added > > > > to the archives, more people benefit than Karl. I know this from > years > > > > of teaching people complex topics in Test Engineering. I could tell > you > > > > some good stories about some classes, but those people were also > serious > > > > about learning. Better to have helped them than to upset them or > tease > > > > them. In turn they helped their friends and their company. They > become > > > > better thought of, the company's profit increases, and everyone is a > > > > winner. Not hard, just hard to keep your composure sometimes. > > > > > > > So, what do you do when you have a student that will not read the > > > book, will not do the homework assignments, and argues that he know > > > better then the teacher? That when you try to correct his mistakes, > > > he calls you names? > > > > > > I have seen many people helped on the list that didn't understand. > > > The difference is that when they do not understand something, they > > > tell you what they don't understand, and get it explained to them in > > > simpler terms, and/or get pointers to where they can find the > > > information to help them understand. > > > > > > There are times when step by step instructions are the way to handle > > > things, but more often, it is better to help them find the > > > information they need, or accompany the instructions with > > > explanations of what the instructions do. Help them learn - don't do > > > the work for them! > > > > > > I have to question weather Fedora is the right distribution for > > > someone that needs step by step instructions, instead of being able > > > to read the instructions on a web page when it is pointed out to > > > them. I know it is not the distribution I would recommend to someone > > > for their first Linux distribution. It is not for someone that can > > > not do their own research, or understand the technical language. You > > > should also have at least some problem solving skill. If you need > > > someone to take you by the hand, and walk you through things, you > > > are in the wrong place. Using Fedora requires effort on the part of > > > the user to understand things. > > > > > > Mikkel > > These are your feelings. I cannot tell you not to feel that way. I > > cannot change Karl, either, but to harangue Karl because of your > > feelings is illogical and counter productive. If you choose to answer > > him, do so as completely as you can and then stop. Others can and will > > pick up the ball after that. I just don't see it as a problem that > > tirade after tirade helps you, him and especially the list. Just my > > opinion. > > > > > > I second the idea that he just be ignored if he is a problem. Anybody > heard the one about the Pope and Bill Clinton? They ran out of new brothels to visit? -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com )
