i just now noticed, in the files that come with the vnc-server package, the "x0vncserver" program. "man x0vncserver": "x0vncserver is a VNC server which continuously polls any X display, allowing it to be controlled via VNC..." ok, so does that give one the ability to control a remote session, the way paul johnson was waxing nostalgic about earlier? i must investigate further ... rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Home page: http://crashcourse.ca Fedora Cookbook: http://crashcourse.ca/wiki/index.php/Fedora_Cookbook ========================================================================