I went back to F8 i386 yesterday because I need to be able to use Sun's Java plugin with Firefox. In the process I found out a couple of interesting things. 1) The XINERAMA bug is indeed fixed with version 1.0-4 of libxcb 2) You can configure the Sun Java plugin to work with alternatives just like java and javac I've updated my instruction page to reflect this. I also moved this file although the old address will still work. http://rabbitbrush.frazmtn.com/sun-java-on-F8.html Thanks, -- Knute Johnson Molon Labe...