On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, David L. Gehrt wrote: > I have learned NOT to feed Karl the Troll. If we stop responding to > the (mostly) worthless posting he makes he will go away and pester > the subscribers to some other poor list. and this is the fundamental misunderstanding of so many members of this mailing list -- that if you ignore karl, he will finally give up and take his tiresome act elsewhere. ain't. gonna. happen. we're already well aware of karl's pattern of behaviour, which consists of some combination of: 1) posting rubbish with a subject of "hey, something interesting!" 2) describing anything unexpected as a "bug" and promising to submit it as a bug report 3) constantly promising/threatening to write "documentation" when he is so obviously ignorant of what he speaks 4) calling even people who try to help him "stupid" 5) insulting entire social demographics and it's that last bit that's become particularly worrisome. recently, karl has explicitly denigrated germans, canadians and old people. so who's next? women? gays? immigrants? because you just *know* it's coming, and that's what suddenly makes this an issue that needs to be handled. it's bad enough that people who show up on this list are subject to karl's uninformed and frequently dangerous advice. it's something else altogether when they might be subject to his open insults on their nationality or their age. quite simply, karl needs to be kicked off this list and banned from all red hat mailing lists. and, no, it shouldn't take more than about three seconds to see that that's a perfectly reasonable thing to do. karl simply refuses to learn. he will not take advice of any kind, he won't follow simple rules of ML etiquette no matter how many people tell him the same thing, he calls even people who try to help him "stupid" and, from a technical standpoint, his posted "advice" is almost uniformly worthless if not downright harmful, forcing people who *do* know stuff to waste time constantly correcting him for the sake of other readers. you can try to put up with this and hope against hope that things will improve, and ask that we stop picking on karl. and the end result is that absolutely nothing will change, and karl will inevitably fly off the handle and insult yet another collective of people. so i'm going to suggest this just this one time, then i'm going to shut the hell up about it: karl needs to be banned from red hat mailing lists. he contributes nothing, and his presence has single-handedly made this list a less pleasant place to hang out. he needs to go. further than that, deponent sayeth not. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca ========================================================================
