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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Dual layer dvd burning (John Summerfield)
2. Re: no OpenGL (solved) (Ric Moore)
3. Re: User specific resolution, where is that saved? (Peter Lauri)
4. Re: OT: are usb flash drives suitable archival media? (Tim)
5. Re: Dual layer dvd burning (Tim)
6. Re: xorg X11 xorg.conf does not support 'Virtual' parameter
(Bruno Wolff III)
7. Re: VMware Workstation 6.0.2 on F8: Re-run vmware-config.pl
after every reboot (craigni)
8. Re: 3-D graphing software? (Alexander Volovics)
9. Re: Turbo Memory (Tomasz Torcz)
10. Re: twinview f8 (Gilboa Davara)
11. Re: moving evo f7 -> f8? (Gilboa Davara)
12. Re: Dual layer dvd burning (Roberto Malinverni)
13. Re: Execute a command before mounting what's in /etc/fstab -
how? (Chris G)
14. Re: xorg X11 xorg.conf does not support 'Virtual' parameter
(Dan Sawyer)
15. Re: F8: Mozilla plugins (flash and mplayer) don't work
( Andr? Costa )
16. Re: F8: Mozilla plugins (flash and mplayer) don't work
( Andr? Costa )

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:20:06 +0900
From: John Summerfield
Subject: Re: Dual layer dvd burning
To: For users of Fedora
Message-ID: <47427C96.2000602@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
> John Summerfield wrote:

>> Now you're misunderstanding plain English!
>
> By golly, you're right I am. What you are saying (that I didn't

I feel better now:-) He who laughs last, etc.

> understand the first time I read it) was that using this syntax, you
> don't actually need to give it an ISO file, any old file will do.

Correct[1].

>> That example is from the man page. The fact it contains a prebuilt ISO
>> filesystem is immaterial, it's a file and growisofs is just writing a
>> file to the DVD, doing no processing and not (AFAIK) verifying it's an
>> ISO image.
>
> To me, that wasn't clear from the man page. I assumed that it actually
> required an ISO file and wouldn't work without one. So, I never tried
> it without one.

Imagine the confusion if it read
growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=big.cpio

Now, a cpio would be interesting, given that the kernel's initrd is a
cpio file these days.

[1] One of the radio people has the habit of saying "Correct," in a
similar way to others' use of "Absolutely." Some of the others have been
catching it, probably unawares.

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 01:28:57 -0500
From: Ric Moore
Subject: Re: no OpenGL (solved)
To: For users of Fedora
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On Sun, 2007-11-18 at 20:09 -0500, David C. Chipman wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I'm sorry I wasn't able to help you out in the end, but
> I'm glad things are working for you now. I suppose Ii I tried my nVidia
> based card again, that might help..., I've been back to using the
> on-board Intel video for a while...). Later,

Re-installing the driver overwrote the Mesa supplied /usr/lib/libGL. In
that directory do 'ls -la libgl*' you'll spot the linked files which
should point to your master libGL file with your version number. You
might also spot the now-abandoned libGL mesa master file, it'll be
linked by nothing. Mine is libGL.so.100.14.11 which is the version of
NVidia that I am using now. Same with your libGLcore. I believe this is
the horse that threw ya. Ric

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:40:38 +0200
From: "Peter Lauri"
Subject: Re: User specific resolution, where is that saved?
To: "For users of Fedora"
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I never received this email from the list, maybe it never reached the
list. Or maybe some build in function in Gmail to not show emails that
I send to a group I belong to.

On Nov 19, 2007 11:34 PM, Peter Lauri wrote:
> I use gnome. Where is user account specific display settings
> (resolution etc) saved in the file system?
>
> /Peter
>

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:28:08 +1030
From: Tim
Subject: Re: OT: are usb flash drives suitable archival media?
To: For users of Fedora
Message-ID: <1195541889.2913.3.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 07:58 +0900, John Summerfield wrote:
> Clay tablets are the great survivors.

;-)

If you need to archive things long term, then you really do need to keep
the playback system, as well, and convert to a new storage system from
time to time. That means keeping an eye out for when a medium is going
to become unfeasible, and convert beforehand. That includes the ability
of your own equipment to keep on working, or using someone else's to
read your data.

e.g. The demise of floppies was evident a number of years ago, anybody
who had valuable information on them really needed to move the data to
something else a while ago.

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:30:37 +1030
From: Tim
Subject: Re: Dual layer dvd burning
To: For users of Fedora
Message-ID: <1195542037.2913.5.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Mon, 2007-11-19 at 18:26 -0500, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
> Most DVD ROM drives will *read* DL drives.

I think they'd all *have* to, unless they were only ever intended for
single-layer data use only. DVD-video has been the biggest user of DVD
since it's inception, and double-layer was always a part of its
specifications.

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 01:20:56 -0600
From: Bruno Wolff III
Subject: Re: xorg X11 xorg.conf does not support 'Virtual' parameter
To: Dan Sawyer
Cc: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20071120072056.GA30296@xxxxxxxx>
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On Mon, Nov 19, 2007 at 17:17:59 -0800,
Dan Sawyer wrote:
> With Fedora 8 the Virtual parameter in xorg.conf is no longer honored.
> The exact xorg.conf has worked correctly for many releases. Below is a
> snippet from xorg.conf:

I am using the "virtual" parameter in my xorg.conf file and it seems to
be working as expected. Xorg.0.log shows that some mode lines were dropped
because of it.

> Section "Screen"
> Identifier "Screen0"
> Device "Videocard0"
> Monitor "Monitor0"
> DefaultDepth 16
> SubSection "Display"
> Viewport 0 0
> Virtual 1600 1200
> Depth 16
> Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
> EndSubSection
> EndSection

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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:11:26 +0100
From: craigni
Subject: Re: VMware Workstation 6.0.2 on F8: Re-run vmware-config.pl
after every reboot
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <18a240b6868728026785583e610f0913@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

I'm having the same problem. Interestingly, my /usr/lib/vmware/net-services.sh doesn't have

# Determine if SELinux is enabled
isSELinuxEnabled() {
if [ "`cat /selinux/enforce 2> /dev/null`" = "1" ]; then
...

so the patch failed there. It did have

if [ ! -e "$vDevice" ]; then
mknod -m 600 "$vDevice" c 119 "$vHubNr"
fi

So I added

if [ "`isSELinuxEnabled`" = 'yes' ]; then
restorecon "$vDevice"
fi

But it still is failing and demanding to rerun vmware-config.pl after every reboot (which works, but is annoying)

Any ideas?
Many thanks,
Craig

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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:27:06 +0100
From: Alexander Volovics
Subject: Re: 3-D graphing software?
To: For users of Fedora
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On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 01:47:07AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:

> In an advanced Calculus course, we are dealing with functions with 2
> (and more) variables. Is there any 3-D graphing software for Fedora
> available? Something like Kalgebra, but with a bit more functions such
> as multiple functions graphed at the same time, asymptote min max and
> other significant points, zoom into 3-D graph, graph of derivative and
> integral, etc. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

There are a number of tools available for these things under linux.
(Though they may not all be able to do everything you mention (easily)).

I am partial to R.
Was always able to make nice professional graphs (2D,3D) with it.

Alexander

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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:43:14 +0100
From: Tomasz Torcz
Subject: Re: Turbo Memory
To: For users of Fedora
Message-ID: <1195548194.24597.18.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Dnia 19-11-2007, pon o godzinie 15:16 -0500, Kyle McMartin pisze:

> It's basically a mini pci express card that exposes some flash. If it
> adds to the cost to include it, I'd opt out unless you plan on dual
> booting Vista. (Vista uses it for caching frequently used programs so
> you can load them faster, instead of hitting disk access bottlenecks.
> iirc Microsoft calls this "ReadyBoost")
>

If it's just memory available over PCI, it could be used as swap.
http://hedera.linuxnews.pl/_news/2002/09/03/_long/1445.html
But I don't see the point. Maybe it would be better utilised as
ext3/reiserfs/zfs/other fs journal device, similarly to NVRAM
cache in storage arrays?
Maybe as device for Jens' Axboe fscache? Or for caching HDD using
cachefs (or how this is called nowadays)?
Adding PCI Express card for swap seems like overkill.

--
Tomasz Torcz

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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:46:02 +0200
From: Gilboa Davara
Subject: Re: twinview f8
To: For users of Fedora
Message-ID: <1195548362.17404.14.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

On Mon, 2007-11-19 at 19:48 +0100, FranÃ§ois Patte wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>
> Gilboa Davara a Ã©crit :
> > On Sun, 2007-11-18 at 19:19 +0100, FranÃ§ois Patte wrote:
> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >> Hash: SHA1
> >>
> >> Bonjour,
> >>
> >> Anyone experienced twinview under f8?
> >>
> >
> > By twinview you mean nVidia twinview?
>
> Yes. And it is now also working for me but without my gnome config....
> Something in my config, that I borrowed from fc6, blocks the gnome-panel
> at login and I cannot do anything. So I have, one more time, to change
> my config.

Being a KDE user I can't really help you. Sorry.

> Why the configs are not fully compatible from one fedora version to
> another??? I had some similar problems when I upgraded from fc4 to fc6.

AFAIR FC6 shipped with GNOME 2.16 while F8 has GNOME 2.20.
A lot of features were added between the two releases... I'd venture and
guess that one of these features/bugs broke your Xinerama support.

Granted, I have the same /home since F2... but KDE did really change
much since ~F4. (Minor 3.5.x releases)

Most likely I'll have to rebuild my configuration from scratch once KDE4
is released.

>
> Thanks for your answer.

No problem.

-Gilboa

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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:51:53 +0200
From: Gilboa Davara
Subject: Re: moving evo f7 -> f8?
To: For users of Fedora
Message-ID: <1195548713.17404.16.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Mon, 2007-11-19 at 18:48 -0800, Joseph Loo wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-11-19 at 12:52 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote:
> > On Mon, 2007-11-19 at 08:21 +0000, Morgan Read wrote:
> > > Hello Folks
> > >
> > > I just up'd from f7 to f8. I copied files/directories:
> > > 1. ~/.evolution/
> > > 2. ~/.gconf/apps/evolution/
> > > 3. ~/.gnome2_private/Evolution
> > >
> > > Then logged into my user account, copied them back.
> > >
> > > Now, I start evo for the first time and I'm presented with the Evo Setup
> > > Assistant. Any ideas where I'm going wrong? How do I get evo back up?
> > >
> > > Many thanks,
> > > M.
> > >
> >
> > A short tip:
> > I usually keep my /home on a different partition - sharing it across
> > distribution (CentOS/RHEL/Fedora) and versions (F7/F8, etc)
> >
> > - Gilboa
> >
>
> Did you shutdown evolution before you did the copy on both machines?
> evolution --force-shutdown
> --

Nope... nothing.
Just rebooted my F7; installed a fresh copy of F8; start evolution.

- Gilboa

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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:46:07 +0100
From: "Roberto Malinverni"
Subject: Re: Dual layer dvd burning
To:
Message-ID: <001f01c82b5a$2c727a10$ef07320a@MALINVERNI>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

> -----Messaggio originale-----
> From: "Kevin J. Cummings"
>
> While the drives are capable of holding 8GB of data, the filesystem is
> *still* not capable of holding a file >= 2GB. This is usually not a
> problem when writing video onto these drives as the VOB filesize is <
> 2GB anyways. When using them to write backups of large files, games
> must be played to get the data to fit.
>
> --

You can burn files >= 2Gb using UDF, and files >=4Gb using
"-allow-limited-size"
with growisofs. You need to mount the burned disk with "-t udf".

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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:51:18 +0000
From: Chris G
Subject: Re: Execute a command before mounting what's in /etc/fstab -
how?
To: For users of Fedora
Message-ID: <20071120095118.GA50699@newred>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

On Mon, Nov 19, 2007 at 11:59:26AM -0800, Michael Eager wrote:
> Chris G wrote:
>> I have a Freecom network disk which needs the following to be executed
>> before I can mount it using an entry in /etc/fstab :- echo 0 >
>> /proc/fs/cifs/LinuxExtensionsEnabled
>> Is there any neat way I can get this command executed during the boot
>> sequence before the entries in /etc/fstab are mounted?
>
> Drives are mounted in rc.sysinit. You can add your
> line before this happens.
>
... but it'll get lost on next install, surely there's a "proper"
place to do it.

--
Chris Green

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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 02:25:30 -0800
From: Dan Sawyer
Subject: Re: xorg X11 xorg.conf does not support 'Virtual' parameter
To: Bruno Wolff III
Cc: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <4742B61A.4030703@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Thanks for the note. The major difference (except for the dropped mode
lines messages) in the log files is the system that doesn't work has the
following lines:

enable montype: 2
(II) RADEON(0): I2C device "VGA_DDC:ddc2" registered at address 0xA0.
(II) RADEON(0): I2C device "VGA_DDC:ddc2" removed.
(II) RADEON(0): I2C device "VGA_DDC:ddc2" registered at address 0xA0.
(II) RADEON(0): I2C device "VGA_DDC:ddc2" removed.
(II) RADEON(0): I2C device "VGA_DDC:ddc2" registered at address 0xA0.
(II) RADEON(0): I2C device "VGA_DDC:ddc2" removed.
(II) RADEON(0): DDC Type: 3, Detected Monitor Type: 0
(II) RADEON(0): EDID for output VGA-0
(II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DVI_DDC:ddc2" registered at address 0xA0.
(II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DVI_DDC:ddc2" removed.
(II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DVI_DDC:ddc2" registered at address 0xA0.
(II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DVI_DDC:ddc2" removed.
(II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DVI_DDC:ddc2" registered at address 0xA0.
(II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DVI_DDC:ddc2" removed.
(II) RADEON(0): DDC Type: 2, Detected Monitor Type: 0
(II) RADEON(0): Detected Monitor Type: 0
(II) RADEON(0): EDID for output DVI-0
(WW) RADEON(0): DDC2/I2C is not properly initialized

The kernel is a custom kernel and is identical for both systems. Do you
get DDC2/I2C errors?

Dan

Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2007 at 17:17:59 -0800,
> Dan Sawyer wrote:
>
>> With Fedora 8 the Virtual parameter in xorg.conf is no longer honored.
>> The exact xorg.conf has worked correctly for many releases. Below is a
>> snippet from xorg.conf:
>>
>
> I am using the "virtual" parameter in my xorg.conf file and it seems to
> be working as expected. Xorg.0.log shows that some mode lines were dropped
> because of it.
>
>
>> Section "Screen"
>> Identifier "Screen0"
>> Device "Videocard0"
>> Monitor "Monitor0"
>> DefaultDepth 16
>> SubSection "Display"
>> Viewport 0 0
>> Virtual 1600 1200
>> Depth 16
>> Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
>> EndSubSection
>> EndSection
>>
>
>
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:02:03 -0200
From: " Andr? Costa "
Subject: Re: F8: Mozilla plugins (flash and mplayer) don't work
To: "For users of Fedora"
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Hi Christopher,

On Nov 19, 2007 9:51 PM, Christopher A. Williams wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 2007-11-19 at 17:11 -0200, André Costa wrote:
> > Hi Paul,
> >
> > On Nov 19, 2007 4:14 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > >
> > > On Nov 15, 2007 11:46 AM, Frank Cox wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:36:48 -0200
> > > > André Costa wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > My problem now is Mozilla plugins:
> > > >
> > > > Do all of your plugins show up under about:plugins ?
> > > >
> > > > On this x86_64 machine I had to create symbolic links from the files

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