A few days ago I reported a problem that pulseaudio was giving multiple kde crash handler popups in kde with a newly installed f8 system. I have now resolved this by making a single change to the system. I noticed that the install did not create a file /etc/asound.conf so I created one with contents: pcm.pulse { type pulse } ctl.pulse { type pulse } as per the web page at http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup With this single change kde sound now works perfectly, and my other applications such as amarok and sound from flash applications in firefox work perfectly. In addition I have also worked around the problem with wpa_supplicant not starting at boot time by adding lines to /etc/rc.local to start the supplicant and get an ip address using dhclient. At this point I now have a nice working laptop running f8 and am now happy with it. So now I can add my thanks to the developers for this new version - which was indeed released on the advertised date which is quite an achievement!