I did a yum upgrade from F7 to F8. No difficulties at all, to my surprise. But, what am I missing in the F8 experience? What are the good new RPMS in F8 that might have been installed if I did a fresh install? Example. In an upgrade from F6 to F7, I did not get ccache installed. Only later did I learn about it and experience its truly wonderful power to accelerate tedious compiling projects. Are there neat packages hidden in the F8 distro that an upgrade would have missed? pj -- Paul E. Johnson Professor, Political Science 1541 Lilac Lane, Room 504 University of Kansas