On Sun, 2007-10-28 at 13:43 -0400, Claude Jones wrote: > On Sun October 28 2007, Les Mikesell wrote: > > But note that there is nothing remotely illegal about the nvidia driver, > > nor would there be any problem with the fedora project distributing it > > themselves if they had any reason to care about the user experience. > > I think any but the most recent members of this list have noted your position > on that subject, Les --- it would have been hard to miss '> If nVidia would allow it's driver to be distributed freely, that would be a good thing. The Croquet project will not run as it should using the yum-able versions of the nVidia drivers. Les has experienced the same problem with Croquet, as we both have the 5200 card and only installing the nVidia direct package will make it run as it is supposed to. We both had openGL problems out the wazoo. The nVidia package fixes that. I have no clue exactly what is in the nVidia supplied package as opposed to the ones from Livna or Freshrpms, but something (proprietary?) apparently is missing and the application demands something not found in the rpm versions. Back to the age-old "Right Thing" imperative, I have to use what works. No apologies for that. You know me, Claude ...I bitched for months trying to figure out what was wrong, before finally getting Croquet to run. When the solution appeared, I was floored for wasting those months. While I'm grateful that nVidia supports linux and offer a driver package, I hope that nVidia will open their code, so this kinda stuff doesn't happen to anyone else. I seriously doubt that they would lose one bit of their sales. Ric -- ================================================ My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/oar http://www.wayward4now.net <---down4now too ================================================