On Fri, October 19, 2007 10:08 am, Lamar Owen wrote: > We all need to be more careful in our terminology, and we all need to be > more > patient and less trigger-happy with our oxyacetylene rigs. I agree with you. Unfortunately Karl has really alienated himself from a large group of people here. (Me included.) Most of his posts regardless of content are met with hostility. People have tried to help in the past to become a better community member and he has improved somewhat. However you reap what you sow and you can never re-make a first impression. - Erich