Karl Larsen had a PANIC ATTACK about SELinux: > This morning I started the computer and it stopped for 10 minutes > because it could not find cups. It talked about applying iptables but > had "never matched protocal" and when it finally came up Thunderbird was > broken. This sounds more like a general networking problem, particularly to do with name resolution. Starting CUPs needs name resolution to work, so does X, and many applications that'll use X, and particularly a mail client. The iptables message sounds like something I see at every boot related to IPv6, which I don't expect to work because my router, and I think my ISP, don't support it. I can trigger the same error message like this: # service ip6tables restart Flushing firewall rules: [ OK ] Setting chains to policy ACCEPT: filter [ OK ] Unloading ip6tables modules: [ OK ] Applying ip6tables firewall rules: Warning: never matched protocol: 51. use extension match instead. [ OK ] I will, fairly confidently, say that this is unimportant for most people. For your issue I strongly suspect that you need to check whether your machine name resolves. Look into your hosts file, your resolv.conf file, and the addresses applied to your network interfaces. > I turned off SELinux but it is still fucking up my F7. It took and > hour before Thunderbird started working! > > I am still a long way out of the woods. If anyone has an idea on how > to delete SELinux from your computer I want to know about it. Also how > do I save my computer from the damage already done? > > I turned SELinux onto the Passive mode to try my hand at making a F8 > CD. One of my larger errors :-) I think you're chasing a red herring. Anyway, you cannot remove SELinux, there was a long thread about this not long ago. You can put it into permissive mode, where it's *supposed* to not stop anything, just log it. Or you can put it into disabled mode. -- (This box runs FC7, my others run FC4, FC5 & FC6, in case that's important to the thread.) Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists.