On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 00:13:31 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > I am normally in irc://freenode/fedora and such advice is rare enough > there that I cannot remember it occurring. I would wager a guess that > you have received at best, oversimplified advice. Well, irc is one of the things like games that I'm careful for personal reasons to make sure never gets installed, or gets removed at once; so I can't speak to that. But I'll take your word for it. To the best of my recollection, I have two sources. One is READMEs, web boards, and sundry such venues for particular apps; the other summarizes my experience -- rebooting quite commonly helps when nothing else I try, including logging out and back in, is any help. I doubt I run any apps that anyone here would consider unusual; but it may well be that, autodidact as I am, I run them in unusual ways. Or of course my impression could be off. <shrug> -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about.