Hey, to get to the point right away. stop telling me to go to fedora-test for bug things. some thing those threads should go in devel.. some think it should go in test. i will register at fedora-test but just STOP NOTIFYING me about it even if i post one in fedora-devel (the one that i placed in fedora-list was an accident. it should have been in fedora-devel) Mark.