Recently, I've been exploring KDE and have found its window manager, kwin, to be quite excellent. Combined with kdesktop, I can get just about all of the customizations I want. I have been a long time WindowMaker user, and have grown accustomed to some of the dockapps. I can't find any way to dock them in a KDE system. Program writers seem to think "dock" means an application launcher, but in WindowMaker a dock is more than that. It is a place where programs can run in "miniwindows". Yes, a dock can be a launcher, but we don't need that function. What we need is some place for a small program to run. In particular, since I cannot find a small CPU monitor applet for the kde panel, I want to run dockapps like "wmload" or "wmmon". When I run them now, they just go to the top of the screen and the desktop background shows through the clear parts (alpha channel, I suppose). I guess that is adequate, but not so good looking as plopping the app down on top of the pleasant colored square. It looks like this now: http://pj.freefaculty.org/WindowManagers/wmmon_on_kde.png Whereas it should be mounted on a standard background pixmap, as shown here http://pj.freefaculty.org/WindowManagers/wmmon_should_be.png Got any help on how to run things in miniwindows and have them restart every time you log in? -- Paul E. Johnson Professor, Political Science 1541 Lilac Lane, Room 504 University of Kansas