John wrote:
> Peter Gordon wrote:
>> John,
>>
>> Please remember that discussion via this list is text-only. However,
>> text and its content are only a very small portion of what communication
>> is as a whole. As such, a text-based medium such as email can be
>> difficult at times to interpret when there is a lot of emotion involved,
>> especially anger and/or frustration, as it lacks the body language,
>> vocal intonation, and other cues that one would normally use to fully
>> understand a message being told to them. Therefore, one's word choice is
>> all that he or she has available to them in this medium to properly
>> express their opinion or issues as wanted. It is from this word choice
>> that we, the readers, must guess your cues to fully understand and
>> appropriately interpret your text.
>>
>> We are a community - we want the community spirit to grow and spread. We
>> want people to learn the benefits of Free software. Rest assured that,
>> though it may be troublesome at first, we will do our best to guide you
>> through those troubles as we are able. This great community is one of
>> the most powerful aspects of the information freedoms we've been given
>> with GNU/Linux, and it can aide you significantly...if you let it.
>>
> I love working with Linux in general; but there's times when it
> reminds me more of Win95 than anything else... Yes- very frustrating! I
> agree with what you've said above- it wasn't my intention to make it
> sound like I was bashing (the guy who replied back late Sat. nite took
> that I was). I've been working with PC's for about 8yrs, all self
> taught; I fail to see why one has to dig through 2,3,4 or more folders
> to change a , or a digit to make drive work... More on this below.
I am probably "the guy who replied back late Sat. nite" that you are
referring to here. If you did not mean what is sounded like you wrote I
apologize for my comments. Normally posts like yours are just that. Trolls
looking to stir things up.
> People that know me, tend to bring their PC's to me; I'd just as soon
> move people off of Windows and into some flavor of Linux. I just have a
> hard time justifying it, when two pieces of hardware disappear with
> kernel updates (or what have you). Also, everyone has seen those emails
> of newbies wanting off the list, and all the 3rd grade answers posted to
> the list. Is that the treatment that we want for our friends, coworkers
> and family? I don't mince words-- I have the paperwork in my personnel
> file at work to prove it too.... ;) If I think something blows or a bad
> decision was made. I /will/ say something.
>> Now on to the content of your message:
>>
>> On Sat, 2007-05-12 at 22:26 -0500, John wrote:
>>
>>> I'd rather go back to Windows 100% and deal with its security problems
>>> than have to *waste *my time troubleshooting my FC builds.
>>>
>>
>> If you'd prefer tried and proven solutions, I recommend Red Hat's
>> Enterprise Linux ("RHEL") or one of its no-cost clones such as the
>> Community Enterprise OS ("CentOS"). This will give you the benefit of
>> known-stable and -tested software, and (with Red Hat's paid support)
>> guaranteed support via Service Level Agreements ("SLAs") and whatnot.
>>
> Tried CentOS; I thought it was okay, though kinda limited with what I
> (personally) need in an OS.
>>
>>
>>> Two outta three FC boxes (here) have
>>> 'misplaced' the floppy and cd drives. I know the cd drive was working
>>> when I switched over to KDE from Gnome; now its MIA with KDE too.
>>>
>>
>> When you say "misplaced," what, specifically, are you referring to? Are
>> the icons just not showing up? Are they the wrong icons? Are they not
>> responding to any option when you click them?
>>
>> We can only know as much about your problem as you are willing to tell
>> us. Generally speaking, more verbose information that you can give the
>> community about your issue will help us help you solve or workaround it.
>> (We're not telepathic, no matter how awesome that would be. :P)
>>
>>
>>
> I posted a few days ago about not being able to access my floppy drive;
> sounds like I'll have to do what I did with FC5. The cd drive couldn't
> be accessed through Gnome(I could when the box was first built), but
> could be though KDE (why??) Now, the drive can't be accessed through
> Gnome or KDE; I tried booting into a previous kernel with no luck. Right
> now, I'm using 3.5.6-0.3.fc6 for KDE and 2.6.20-1.2948.fc6 for the kernel.
>>> This box, can't even find my scanner-- jeez, I can go to the HP site
>>> and get the scanner software for Win95 to Vista.
>>>
>>
>> In the vast majority of cases, GNU/Linux drivers for hardware are
>> maintained by distribution vendors and/or as part of the standard
>> upstream packages that these distribution vendors use for their basis.
>> More often than not, as Windows' drivers will show,
>> manufacturer-produced drivers can be quite buggy, unstable, and/or
>> insecure.
>>
> I ran the Win program through Wine, just for giggles... No dice- the exe
> wouldn't even think about installing.
>> What make/model scanner do you have? Which scanning software have you
>> used? Have you tried HP's tools from the hplip/hpijs packages? Does it
>> show any specific error message?
>>
> Didn't know about this. Will try at some point. Its a 7400c ScanJet. I
> have a Microtek scanner here too- had to plug that into a Win box... I
> orig had the HP scanner plugged into the FC6 laptop, and it ran well;
> Anne and I posted emails on the list.
>>
>>
>>> How screwed up is Fedora 7 going to be??
>>>
>>
>> The merger has brought some hardships along with Development's usual
>> slight-breakage, but those should be quickly resolved. Instead of
>> blaming Linux or Fedora for malfunctioning and simply giving up, we ask
>> that you please rephrase your issues in a more polite tone. If we can
>> help you solve these problems, then that means that we've potentially
>> helped a great deal many people around the world who may have similar
>> troubles. Perhaps these issues could also be fixed in their respective
>> packages, which would make them work much nicer by default with the next
>> update or for new users who install them.
>>
>> As someone who's been running the Development tree since about the
>> F7-Test2 timeframe, I can vouch that it will be quite impressive.
>> Indeed, it will have its bugs, though, as any piece of software does;
>> but we as a community will continue to improve upon the software and
>> squash those bugs as we find them.
>>
>> Thanks for your time and patience.
>>
> I saw that 7 will be out in a couple of days; I am (actually)
> interested in seeing what's up.
>
--
David
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