I would hate to put some rationality into what is otherwise a great discussion, but have any of you tried to create a system of any size with useful (that is useful to every user) error messages. It is pretty tough. This is one of the reasons as Fred Brooks comments in his book "The Mythical Man-Month" it takes 9 times as long to create a software system that can be used by people in general than a system that only your use. -- ======================================================================= It seems that more and more mathematicians are using a new, high level language named "research student". ======================================================================= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx