Hi all, Since there was a bit of Fedora bashing going on around here, I thought I'd throw in a bit of praise toward the Fedora Project. The ATI driver project for Xorg deserves huge kudos too! I have a Dell system that I had installed FC6 on. For the heck of it I recently decided to take a chance and put it on the Rawhide track by a simple change to the yum configuration. The upgrade to Rawhide went smoothly. Since I was already running sata, the libata changes were transparent. It just took a bit of time to download all the packages via yum. ;) Today I decided to see if 'yum install beryl' would install the 3D window manager. It did indeed. I have to say, WOW! I had removed the proprietary ATI drivers from the system just before going to Rawhide. I didn't expect beryl would work as well as it does with the Open Source drivers. I guess things have improved without me noticing. Very impressive. I hope similar strides can be made with NVidia based video. I also noticed that maven2 is now 'yumable.' Since I work at a company that is heavy into Java (and maven), this make things very easy. I really like the work that has been put in to integrating Java into the package system. Keep up the good work. From where I sit, things really are looking great in Fedora-land. I can't wait to see what the future holds. I hope that things like the Fedora Directory Server and Certificate Server projects eventually get integrated. I noticed that Fedora Rawhide installed some sort of smart card software. I hope this is a peek at things to come. Now that the desktop has been looking good, I hope better and easier directory management and managed security comes to the Open Source and Fedora worlds. What more can I say? That extra bit of polish in each release really does add up to a really great environment. Thank you Fedora Project! ...Jeff