On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 09:35 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 16:43 +1030, Tim wrote: > > On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 18:18 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > Am I the only one who finds this very frustration. To look at CNN news > > > you need one secret and FoxNews another secret, This does not speak > > > well for FC6 being a stable useful distribution. > > > > Is this really a FC6 issue, or a Firefox issue? > > > Well it depends on you point of view. In the world of open software > versions of Linux decide to supply a set of necessary application types > (browsers in this case) that are produced by other organizations. Whose > responsibility is it to see that firefox works, or gnome works in the > context of FCx? What is the purpose of the testing phases of Fedora? > > Either Fedora has to supply its own mplayer, browser , flash plugin that > works in the distribution or see that the program suppled by others > works. I would not say this for more off the wall applications but every > user expects that there essential applications work. Otherwise we can't > attack Microsoft. > > I know that in some sense in this case it is partially the fault of CNN > or Fox. But I am frustrated since I have to spend weeks every 6 months > or so to make the next Fedora version work. I know I could use Centos or > pay for RHEL from my spare cash. I just want to share my frustration > this time. Next week I will go on to something else, like figuring up > why XML is not working for me at the moment. Unfortunately, while I agree this is the fault of CNN and Fox respectively, the bottom line is they are not willing to take responsibility for it. Until they do, the "fault" falls to the Fedora Project team and 3rd party repository owners to ensure that, when these extras are installed, they work for at least the most commonly visited sites work as designed. We may not like it, but it will be that way until CNN and Fox see a benefit for themselves in making sure their players work with Fedora and its additional packages. The same goes for things like Wireless firmware support. I'm extremely pleased to hear that Fedora 7 is going after the WiFi firmware issue! Now if we could also have the NetworkManager-vpnc plugin support IP Tunneling, as well as have NetworkManager itself PEAP with 802.1x, Fedora 7 becomes an "out of the box" solution for use in my company. As we're a big Microsoft partner in the IT Services realm where a lot of us are really frustrated with Vista and some of us are even spending our own money to buy Macbooks, this would be a significant coup internally. We're also a big VMware partner. I'm the global practice lead for Virtualization services there and lots of us are switching to Linux (Fedora or Ubuntu usually) and running VMware Workstation for those things where we absolutely need Windows (which isn't very much anymore in my experience). Cheers, Chris -- ==================================================== In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. --Yogi Berra
