Greetings; I found a message that half-assedly described what to do with a missformed prefs.js line and fixed that. That, FWIW, fixed the firefox silent exit problems except for one, which I'll describe next. I found that the desktop icon on the toolbar was from an older version of something and didn't point at firefox, instead letting the system use its default browser (apparently, I'm reading between the lines here) which may or may not have been firefox, changed it to point at /usr/bin/firefox, then discovered that was an older file and copied over the script /usr/bin/firefox with the latest 1.5.0.8/firefox starter script. That cost me nearly all the plugins that were being displayed in the about:plugins display. So I go correlate what showns with the contents of the various plugins dirs that mozilla leaves laying around all over the place, and copied into that dir, the plugins from the other dirs that weren't there. Just now I was on cnn.com, tried to play one of their stories and killed firefox as usual, but it waited till the movie player window was opened this time, and spit out this on the shell that launched it: /usr/lib/firefox-1.5.0.8/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/firefox-1.5.0.8/plugins/libvlcplugin.so: undefined symbol: XtWindowToWidget Now, the libvlcplugin.so that I moved into that plugins dir from another browsers plugins dir DIDN'T come with the vlc that I installed from freshrpms so obviously somethings a bit fubar here. That version of vlc appears to have at least 100 plugins installed in its various sub directories of /usr/lib/vlc, none of which are named libvlcplugin.so, so I have NDI how to fix this other than nuking that particular file. However, the about:plugins display in the vlc section looks plumb normal, with a total of 21 file formats it claims to support. I did remove it, went to abcnews but their stuff all needs flash 8 or newer, so cnn.com is next, and mplayer is stuck in a loop forever downloading the video but never playing it. So thats what I have now, zip again but for obviously different reasons. What is the recommendation of the experts here? -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.