Tim: >> On that note, why do people smear their fingers all over the optical >> surface of discs? Or scuff them about on the desk? Les Mikesell: > Because they don't come with handles? Or protective cases that > remain on in use... It's a design problem. Yes, I've always thought that getting rid of caddies was a bad idea. True, some of the caddies were a crap design, but if CDs had been made like 3.5" floppies from the get-go (audio and data discs), we'd be in a lot better position. Scratched and scuffed discs wouldn't be an issue, nor finger prints, nor badly placed labels. All of that would be on the outside of the case, not on something that drive is trying to read. -- (Currently running FC4, in case that's important to the thread) Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists.