-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mark Sargent wrote: > Tim wrote: >>I thought it was more than just "console issues", as you don't get >>sound, either. And what about when you plug in hotplugable items >>(flash drives, etc.), which user gets to own them? > Hi All, > > so this sound issue hasn't been resolved yet? That's pretty ordinary > for such a mature distro(or is it more to do with the Desktop > developers?). I have sound working fine on a multi-user system with fast user switching enabled. I had to rebuild the gnome-screensaver rpm with the patch removing user switching, build an rpm for the fast user switching applet, and adjust the console permissions in /etc/security/console.perms. I spent more time reading up to find out why this feature was removed than I spent to add it back after deciding the reasons for removing it didn't apply in my situation. > How am I to convince others to leave Windows when this kind of stuff > still lags behind? Cheers. As Tim pointed out (far more succinctly than I'll manage to), I'd point them at the many ways that Linux has surpassed Windows. For example, I've yet to see a linux box that was brought to a crawl upon startup due to adware, malware, virii, etc. This happens all the time to the windows computers I get stuck helping people fix. Perhaps windows has a few features that it would be nice to have in linux, but it's clear that the windows developers spend more time on the little graphical features than they do on core security. For $DEITY's sake, they're just now looking to roll out vista with the concept of not running with admin privileges. [1] I understand where the Fedora/Redhat folks are coming from regarding the permissions issues for device ownership and I'm glad that they aren't implementing this feature before resolving them in a sane way that can apply to many types of use scenarios. I'm also glad that I have enough freedom to tinker with my Fedora system so that I can change this on the particular systems I setup where the users will benefit more from the feature of fast user switching than they will be hindered or compromised by the device permissions issues. That's a freedom you will not find in any version of windows, even at an outrageous price. In short, if others value bells and whistles over a system that actually runs reliably without security nightmares and expensive addon antivirus and firewall software, then let them stay with windows. I'm certainly happy I switched a long time ago and the friends I've setup linux boxes for have no complaints. [1] http://blogs.msdn.com/aaron_margosis/ - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== The chains of habit are too weak to be felt until they are too strong to be broken -- Samuel Johnson (1709-1784) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iG0EARECAC0FAkR8j4omGGh0dHA6Ly93d3cucG9ib3guY29tL350bXovcGdwL3Rt ei5hc2MACgkQuv+09NZUB1pY0gCfSSt+1l92qSlOE/NB74iHHJYk+k8An1ZkwYJl IboOxUTr0+6l+bNy5d0S =7g+4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
